I am NOT a vegan! I think i read somewhere on the ToZ that killing animals for food is okay. But lately i can't deny the attraction to veganism. My main problem is i don't really like the taste of veggies. When it comes to the meat I'm slowly losing interest, I'll admit it. I have also noticed (🏃 ie had it shown to me possibly by the gods 🏃) that even though meat is tasty it isn't good for us once it goes past the mouth... And lastly the persistent problem that comes with consciousness is seeing the animals as conscious beings and that is the biggest reason why this thing is following me. Anyway what are your thoughts on this subject?
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HPS Lydia wrote:View source Evidently Hindus bury or cremate the cow after it dies, instead of eating it. So this debunks their belief in not eating cows to keep it for milk... because cows die anyway.
All those potential juicy steaks, gone to waste. I hate it when people waste good food. And steak is getting more and more expensive these days.
Hindus waste so much potential steak. We could all eat free steaks for life, if we had the amount they waste.
Active TranslatorBlitzkreig [JG] wrote: The problem is not whether the animals have souls or not, or whether there is violence involved or not, but whether it is right to kill and eat. This is a matter of hierarchy and human/animal relationship. When we take from animals, we do and should not abuse them. We seek to minimize suffering and waste. We also provide for these animals to grow and live in the first place (in the case of farms). On a global scale, we take the responsibility of caretaker for the planet, and this gives us a right to hunt.
We do not genocide entire species, but we take what we need. In fact, the populations of many domesticated species have flourished in human farms, rather than the opposite. Do not get distracted by the abuse that you see perpetuated by the enemy, as this does not invalidate the entire relationship system.
In my opinion, taking from animals can be seen almost like a tax, which they pay to us for caretaking. Further than this, as we advance spiritually and materially, so do they. Many house pets have great lives and experiences never before possible, due to our own advancement (not counting crap pet foods or other corruptions).
We have an authority, but also obligation, towards animals. Just like a King taxes his people, we receive a "tax" from the animals in return for our service. The service we provide is that we ultimately expedite their advancement, as they are our fellow creatures within this reality of life. Yet, without them, we would have significantly less material wealth, not just food, but also leather, horsepower, hairbrushes, etc. We invented this, but they provide. Done in a fair manner, there is nothing wrong with this.
Image Source: External ↗industrysourcing.com of Vinamilk's farm in Lam Dong, Vietnam
Proper human/animal relationships contribute directly to our spiritual and material wealth and advancement, which returns to the animals. Thinking you get "bad karma" from engaging in this hurts BOTH animals and humans.
As always, the enemy abuses something, then uses that as "evidence" for why we cannot enjoy the positive aspects of this, such as wealth or sex. Do not let the enemy take authority over entire "channels" or avenues of life itself.
thankyou man , i understand now. i even read more further about the isckon topic in ToZ , some old threads back in 2012 . Damn so much is corrupted by the enemy , sometimes it makes me sad , but i understand that i shouldnt get affected by it , and focus on spiritually advancing myself. As it will also help the ones around me.
Keep in mind that we need nutrients from all nutrition groups. Yes, animals even when killed for food must not feel pain, I agree with you.
Sometimes certain aspects in regards to natural understanding might come from Mercury as it relates to communication and learning. Sure there may be an emotional component to it, but for a larger specter, doing a Mercury Square (they are on the Zevist calendar, you can try hitting the Mercury hour as well for extra power) could help us clear a lot of areas of understanding in time.
Active HelperThe Gods did not say that to you, that is your own mind, as meat is healthy and necessary, I keep reading of long term vegans who just die because of nutritional deficiencies.
Aquarius wrote:View source The Gods did not say that to you, that is your own mind, as meat is healthy and necessary, I keep reading of long term vegans who just die because of nutritional deficiencies.
TheEvilTruth wrote:View source (🏃 ie had it shown to me possibly by the gods 🏃)
There is a reason why i put the running emoji on that part 😂 lol. Anyway vegans have claimed it time and time again (meaning i keep reading of it) that meat isn't good for us in the long term. They say all kinds of things like we don't really have carnivore teeth etc (i keep reading of it). There's also gout (i keeping reading of it). Proccessed meat is carcinogenic (keep reading of it)...
The part where the gods 'said' meat isn't good for us was more of a joke than anything else. I do appreciate you setting the record straight there but you just rephrased the exact same response AFODO gave (if you scroll up this thread you will see this)...
Aquarius wrote:View source The Gods did not say that to you, that is your own mind, as meat is healthy and necessary, I keep reading of long term vegans who just die because of nutritional deficiencies.
TheEvilTruth wrote:View source (🏃 ie had it shown to me possibly by the gods 🏃)
There is a reason why i put the running emoji on that part 😂 lol. Anyway vegans have claimed it time and time again (meaning i keep reading of it) that meat isn't good for us in the long term. They say all kinds of things like we don't really have carnivore teeth etc (i keep reading of it). There's also gout (i keeping reading of it). The part where the gods 'said' meat isn't good for us was more of a joke than anything else. I do appreciate you setting the record straight there but you just rephrased the exact same response AFODO gave (if you scroll up this thread you will see this)...
TheEvilTruth wrote:View source There is a reason why i put the running emoji on that part 😂 lol. Anyway vegans have claimed it time and time again (meaning i keep reading of it) that meat isn't good for us in the long term. They say all kinds of things like we don't really have carnivore teeth etc (i keep reading of it). There's also gout (i keeping reading of it). The part where the gods 'said' meat isn't good for us was more of a joke than anything else. I do appreciate you setting the record straight there but you just rephrased the exact same response AFODO gave (if you scroll up this thread you will see this)...
What I find interesting is that anyone who has done carnivore diet has a couple weeks to a month of the worst S*^%s possible while the body adapts to the carnivore diet. The intestine switch from a fiber motivated digestion into what it uses for meat (fat?). The body is adaptable. I'm curious if this what ozempic does to cause people to lose weight.