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Why water people can actually be very strong

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#1
SerLorars13 wrote:

Why water people can actually be very strong?

Think about it. What element is the most versatile and changing and is actually capable to manifest itself in different forms on the material plane? Water.

Water is shapeless, formless and can take any form or shape you give it. You put it in a cup, it becomes the cup, you put it in a round vase. It becomes a round vase.

As we all know water is quite important in sensing things, if enough self awareness is achieved.

But as important as it is at sensing energies and such, please ask yourself "How are water people usually behaving?"

Many water people are very changing and don't speak too much sense or aren't logical at all. But why?

Are they just bitchy? Or is it something else to it?

As sensitive as they might be, they are quite amazing at sensing things, and that's how their whole mood changes.
From sad to angry, from happy to sad, from angry to calm and so on.

Energies found around water people's surroundings makes them behave in a certain way, depending on the type of energy and purpose.

This begs the questions
"What if we can actually use that in our advantage?"
"What if we use specific energies to influence them?"

And here is where I wanted to get with this topic.

Water people have a huge advantage if they are aware enough to use this capability to 'take the form' of the energy that surrounds them.

Take Sowilo rune for example.
Vibrate it.
Meditate on it's energies (feel them as best as you can).
Focus on those energies.
Circulate it's energies.
Let it's energies 'shape' you.
Let them show you what they express *through* you.

*Water people are the pure expression of energy.*

And that's their huge advantage, *If* they are aware enough and disciplined enough.

Discipline and earth are required for sure here, but it will pay off.

We can use different energies to prepare before events occur. We can make ourself bolder when we want. We can make us resist the misfortunes and the upsetting events from our lives, through specific and programed energies.

That's why everyone needs water, even in small amounts can pay off.

Each element is strong. I want to highlight that water has amazing qualities as well.

But we all need to thrive for balance, this includes having more or less water energies in our soul.

Interesting, thank you.

Discussion

ShadowTheRaven
#21
Aquarius wrote:

It kinda was for me too. But you just learn how to deal with emotions. It's the equivalent of hiding instead of dealing with difficult things. When you learn how to deal with emotions you will have more wisdom and you will learn not to suffer this much for certain things.

That was how I dealed with them. "They're just trivial, they have no real meaning, stop being such a little bitch" I thought. I want to be a soldier, even if years in the future I'm looking into the face of horror with a thousand yard stare.

#22
ShadowTheRaven wrote:
Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

Are the medic, and the nurse, and the chef, and everybody else who heals and feeds and cares for the soldiers, are they all worthless? Is it a weakness for them to care?

No. They're born and bred for different things, and that's just as respectable as the soldier with his rifle picking off enemies from 200-400 meters away.

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

Which soldier is better, the one who doesn't care about anything, or the one who cares very deeply about something that gives him something to fight for?

The one who does his job and slaughters the enemy. I will not be the cowardly infantryman sitting on an infirmary bed

"It's my nerves, Sir, I...I just can't stand the shelling anymore!"
"Your nerves? Hell, you're just a goddamn coward. *slaps twice* We have a yellow bastard crying in front of these brave men who have been wounded in battle?! SHUT UP!!! *slap* I oughta nick this yellow bastard, nothing wrong with him. We won't have sons of bitches who are afraid to fight staining up this place of honor! You're going back to the front, my friend. You may get shot, you may get killed, but you're going back up to the fighting!"

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

You have this thing in your personality about trying to force a projection of an image of big strength, for people to look at you and think that you are strong. But you do not even know what true strength really is. The image you try to project is not actual strength, it has many big holes and deficiencies in it.

Such as? What deficiencies does someone wishing to project an image of honor, glory, and power have?

War isn't about honor, glory and power it's about blowing cunts up and watching them scream in agony, learning to enjoy it. You have to not fear death, but to do that you have to embrace death as well. A good book to look into and read into this philosophy is the Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad. Its not like your example with the officer it's more like your officer and friends are already dead and the enemy have advanced and you're hungry, bleeding itchy, and sleep deprived. You might as well fucking off yourself already sorry fucker, that's the only thing what your brain will tell you- Honor and glory go out the window for most people when they're at that point. If you wanna get back to the goodness, you're gonna have to do a lot of inhuman things to a lot of people and it will change who you are and how you see yourself.

War isn't really that a masculine thing in that above sense, it stops having a clear reason and starts becoming perverted in the worst way. You become yourself in your enemy and your kill. That's the reality of it, you have to be able to feel at the depth- equally as rotten, lowlife and horrific as you are, so grand and glorious. If there is war, there is deficiency.

Ol argedco luciftiasActive Helper
#23
ShadowTheRaven wrote:

Well gee, since you already perceive me as weak, I might as well open up then.
.....

I don't think you are weak. It's not like I am laughing at you or anything, I seriously do not have any urge at all to say anything bad about that. I don't think you are a bad person. I just think that you have some problems, just like everybody in the world all has some problems, and you have spent your whole life trying to cover up and hide them instead of removing them. This is not an uncommon reaction. Most people in the world have all done some amount of this. You have been in many painful situations, so you have a lot you have been trying to hide.

Every piece of pain is like a thorn inside your soul. If it's strong enough, you will even feel it physically. You don't heal a thorn or splinter by covering it with a thick outside layer, all that does is hold the thorn inside. You try to keep it covered all the time and trying to push it away, but that is only pushing the thorn deeper into you where it would do even more damage. And you feel that sharp point even when you try to ignore it.

You can only heal it by trying to specifically remove the thorn. And slowly, it works its way out. Might take a long time of consistent work, but it has to be done. Then once the thorn or splinter is removed, then you can cover the skin with a strong layer. Then the body can really heal, and you can start becoming stronger.

#24
ShadowTheRaven wrote:
Aldrick wrote:

It's just stupid. I should be able to chop someone's head off and not feel anything!

Like mother fuckers be walking around with battle axes on their back? O.o

Yeah, during the Viking Age, when men were men. Now in the same geographical location, we got men with no balls and barely a penis who can't keep a country intact (ex: Sweden). Nobody cared when the Arabs attacked, they just spread their legs and let em have it. They didn't even abort the rape babies.

I'm sorry Raven, it's not fair to take out my irritation on certains things on you.

I should be more aware of others.

You seem like a great guy. I enjoy you being here with us. You go through a certain period of Anger, till the soul is cleansed out.

Now I'm going through other Emotions being cleaned out. But we are getting there, little by little.

Have a good day. ;)

#25
13th_Wolf wrote:
ShadowTheRaven wrote:
Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

Are the medic, and the nurse, and the chef, and everybody else who heals and feeds and cares for the soldiers, are they all worthless? Is it a weakness for them to care?

No. They're born and bred for different things, and that's just as respectable as the soldier with his rifle picking off enemies from 200-400 meters away.

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

Which soldier is better, the one who doesn't care about anything, or the one who cares very deeply about something that gives him something to fight for?

The one who does his job and slaughters the enemy. I will not be the cowardly infantryman sitting on an infirmary bed

"It's my nerves, Sir, I...I just can't stand the shelling anymore!"
"Your nerves? Hell, you're just a goddamn coward. *slaps twice* We have a yellow bastard crying in front of these brave men who have been wounded in battle?! SHUT UP!!! *slap* I oughta nick this yellow bastard, nothing wrong with him. We won't have sons of bitches who are afraid to fight staining up this place of honor! You're going back to the front, my friend. You may get shot, you may get killed, but you're going back up to the fighting!"

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

You have this thing in your personality about trying to force a projection of an image of big strength, for people to look at you and think that you are strong. But you do not even know what true strength really is. The image you try to project is not actual strength, it has many big holes and deficiencies in it.

Such as? What deficiencies does someone wishing to project an image of honor, glory, and power have?

War isn't about honor, glory and power it's about blowing cunts up and watching them scream in agony, learning to enjoy it. You have to not fear death, but to do that you have to embrace death as well. A good book to look into and read into this philosophy is the Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad. Its not like your example with the officer it's more like your officer and friends are already dead and the enemy have advanced and you're hungry, bleeding itchy, and sleep deprived. You might as well fucking off yourself already sorry fucker, that's the only thing what your brain will tell you- Honor and glory go out the window for most people when they're at that point. If you wanna get back to the goodness, you're gonna have to do a lot of inhuman things to a lot of people and it will change who you are and how you see yourself.

War isn't really that a masculine thing in that above sense, it stops having a clear reason and starts becoming perverted in the worst way. You become yourself in your enemy and your kill. That's the reality of it, you have to be able to feel at the depth- equally as rotten, lowlife and horrific as you are, so grand and glorious. If there is war, there is deficiency.

You wish to think like a psychopath? If one were in the trenches and fighting for their life, we could talk about what that would entail.

But we are not, we live in a decent society. We have all our needs met. So what would be the purpose of this psychotic personality, in our really great lives today?

ShadowTheRaven
#26
Aldrick wrote:

I'm sorry Raven, it's not fair to take out my irritation on certains things on you.

I should be more aware of others.

You seem like a great guy. I enjoy you being here with us. You go through a certain period of Anger, till the soul is cleansed out.

Now I'm going through other Emotions being cleaned out. But we are getting there, little by little.

Have a good day. ;)

It's all good dude. I'm doing the same thing, cleaning all of my hangups out. Clearly this has to be one of them...if you wanna email me and talk, I'm fine with it. [ email redacted ]

ShadowTheRaven
#27
Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

I don't think you are weak. It's not like I am laughing at you or anything, I seriously do not have any urge at all to say anything bad about that. I don't think you are a bad person. I just think that you have some problems, just like everybody in the world all has some problems, and you have spent your whole life trying to cover up and hide them instead of removing them. This is not an uncommon reaction. Most people in the world have all done some amount of this. You have been in many painful situations, so you have a lot you have been trying to hide.

Every piece of pain is like a thorn inside your soul. If it's strong enough, you will even feel it physically. You don't heal a thorn or splinter by covering it with a thick outside layer, all that does is hold the thorn inside. You try to keep it covered all the time and trying to push it away, but that is only pushing the thorn deeper into you where it would do even more damage. And you feel that sharp point even when you try to ignore it.

You can only heal it by trying to specifically remove the thorn. And slowly, it works its way out. Might take a long time of consistent work, but it has to be done. Then once the thorn or splinter is removed, then you can cover the skin with a strong layer. Then the body can really heal, and you can start becoming stronger.

Sucks I can't just rip the thorn out, scream a whole bunch of obscenities, then treat the resulting wound.

#28

Cringe AF post.

"Oh but PTSD tho. I feel sad for the people I've blown up."

Lunar Dance 666
#29
Jack wrote:

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I didnt even read it all because its blatant atupidity of some of the things you write. Its all theory but you've never been through it yourself nor do you even understand or can even imagine how these things work. Otherwise you wouldnt be saying this.

You dont understand what PTSD is. In the old days it was called Shell Shock Syndrome. With voiding it out and exercising emotional control as you call it youre only making the problem worse. The pain HAS and NEEDS to come out.

The "dissacisiative ego" - reeks of mental insanity. We play parts in other peoples lives but we are still us, a whole complete being.
To dissasociate the ego is a buddhist practice and if you had read and remembered the sermons you would have known that (Magesons sermons in particular)
What you are saying here is that having a multiple personality thing living within you is a good thing.

But if you ask me, this goes straight against nature.

My personal opinion on this is as follows: Reach into the depths of your soul and bring whatever needs to be brought up for that situation, that youve already learned, and radiate it outwards.
If its an entirely new skill that needs to be handled then all one can do is practice.
BUT NEVER LOSE ONESELF ON THE WAY!

#30

Jack if you are so obsessed with military just join and leave people here alone finally.

Everybody can gain a severe trauma, even most trained people in military can end up with some sort of an emotional scar, want them to admit it or not.
We aren't all bred here to go around and just kill everybody who looks bad at the first sight anyways. Stop pushing your own hang-ups at people here and stop trying to project your own visions of what perfect man and society is.

The post is not cringe, you are cringe.

#31
Lunar Dance 666 wrote:
Jack wrote:

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I didnt even read it all because its blatant atupidity of some of the things you write. Its all theory but you've never been through it yourself nor do you even understand or can even imagine how these things work. Otherwise you wouldnt be saying this.

You dont understand what PTSD is. In the old days it was called Shell Shock Syndrome. With voiding it out and exercising emotional control as you call it youre only making the problem worse. The pain HAS and NEEDS to come out.

The "dissacisiative ego" - reeks of mental insanity. We play parts in other peoples lives but we are still us, a whole complete being.
To dissasociate the ego is a buddhist practice and if you had read and remembered the sermons you would have known that (Magesons sermons in particular)
What you are saying here is that having a multiple personality thing living within you is a good thing.

But if you ask me, this goes straight against nature.

My personal opinion on this is as follows: Reach into the depths of your soul and bring whatever needs to be brought up for that situation, that youve already learned, and radiate it outwards.
If its an entirely new skill that needs to be handled then all one can do is practice.
BUT NEVER LOSE ONESELF ON THE WAY!

You don't understand any of this because you don't have the patience to go through it and research it. You don't understand what Void control and Emotional control even means. It means being in the moment feeling the emotions fully in equanimity without being affected by it. It's not something you can do without training.

Trauma or pain is based on suppressing negative emotions in the moment because you are scared. That is not what The Bhagvat Gita teaches. The Bhagvat Gita tells us to experience the emotions fully in the moment without suppressing it,which prevents trauma or emotional pain to take root in the first place. That's what being in emotionally charged situations mean. Your habitualized of these emotions and thus, they do not make a big of a problem. The process of dissociation of the true ego from the identity while fully experiencing the emotions yet being unaffected by it ,is gained practically after advanced forms of voidvmeditation.

Focus on a specific emotion- anger, happiness, sadness, love, hate. You can choose an emotion going by how you feel on a specific day. This is excellent training for advanced ritual.

https://templeofzeus.org/Zevist_Void_Meditation.php

Mastering the ability of state control I.e the ability of conjuring up emotions at will from within yourself, without any outside stimulus is when you can say you've truly reached an intermediate Zevism advancement level. After mastering this ability almost nothing coming from outside of you will phase you. A true Yogi, a hard pillar in the ground unchanged by any wind that hits him. This is also how you'll be able to experience the equanimity state where your experiencing emotions fully and yet Dissociating the ego from the identity its working through so it doesn't affect you personally. At this stage, weakness from outside of you is extinguished.

HPMageson talks about the true ego,that is born out of and removed from the dross. Hes talking about the Kundalini Alchemical Process. What I'm talking about is the mental ego and the emotional ego.The balance of equanimity of emotions and the separation of the true ego is a function of the higher brain conceptually and of a being of higher consciousness in practice. And you are correct no matter how trained(wrongly trained), most people get traumatized about a lot of things. But Zevism aren't most people. The Zevists are supposed to be the elite in terms of higher abilities against the entire population so I don't judge the Zevists here the same way I judge the normal people. And even if I do judge them, it doesn't make much difference because most people here don't even understand most of the things I'm talking out since its completely out of their reality. The ones who get this will take it to heart and the ones who can't comprehend it will leave it and keep living their lives unchanging as it were. Makes no difference to me or the agenda of the Zevism which will go on unchanged with the things that are to come which everyone here will experience.

#32
Azorm wrote:

Jack if you are so obsessed with military just join and leave people here alone finally.

Everybody can gain a severe trauma, even most trained people in military can end up with some sort of an emotional scar, want them to admit it or not.
We aren't all bred here to go around and just kill everybody who looks bad at the first sight anyways. Stop pushing your own hang-ups at people here and stop trying to project your own visions of what perfect man and society is.

The post is not cringe, you are cringe

.
CRINGE AF . Muh trauma. Muh sadness. Muh crying. Muh bullying.





Its pretty sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE

You can't get it right if you can't relate
Trade the cash for the beef for the body for the hate
And my time is a piece of wax fallin' on a termite
That's chokin' on the splinters
Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me?
(Get crazy with the Cheeze Whiz)
Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me?
(Drive-by body pierce)
Soy
Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me?
(I can't believe you)
Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me?
Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me?
(Sprechen Sie Deutche, baby)
Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me?
(Know what I'm sayin'?)

#33
Jack wrote:

Some bullshit reddit tier meme

I still don't see you in uniform, Private Jack!

#34
Jack wrote:

Waaah Waaah MOMMY SOMEONE CALLED ME OUT *pulls up 10 pictures and some song quotes while crying***

And of course any comment on your bullshit is "bullying" again. That's the Jack Special™. :lol:

#35
Jack wrote:
Lunar Dance 666 wrote:
Jack wrote:

...

I didnt even read it all because its blatant atupidity of some of the things you write. Its all theory but you've never been through it yourself nor do you even understand or can even imagine how these things work. Otherwise you wouldnt be saying this.

You dont understand what PTSD is. In the old days it was called Shell Shock Syndrome. With voiding it out and exercising emotional control as you call it youre only making the problem worse. The pain HAS and NEEDS to come out.

The "dissacisiative ego" - reeks of mental insanity. We play parts in other peoples lives but we are still us, a whole complete being.
To dissasociate the ego is a buddhist practice and if you had read and remembered the sermons you would have known that (Magesons sermons in particular)
What you are saying here is that having a multiple personality thing living within you is a good thing.

But if you ask me, this goes straight against nature.

My personal opinion on this is as follows: Reach into the depths of your soul and bring whatever needs to be brought up for that situation, that youve already learned, and radiate it outwards.
If its an entirely new skill that needs to be handled then all one can do is practice.
BUT NEVER LOSE ONESELF ON THE WAY!

You don't understand any of this because you don't have the patience to go through it and research it. You don't understand what Void control and Emotional control even means. It means being in the moment feeling the emotions fully in equanimity without being affected by it. It's not something you can do without training.

Trauma or pain is based on suppressing negative emotions in the moment because you are scared. That is not what The Bhagvat Gita teaches. The Bhagvat Gita tells us to experience the emotions fully in the moment without suppressing it,which prevents trauma or emotional pain to take root in the first place. That's what being in emotionally charged situations mean. Your habitualized of these emotions and thus, they do not make a big of a problem. The process of dissociation of the true ego from the identity while fully experiencing the emotions yet being unaffected by it ,is gained practically after advanced forms of voidvmeditation.

Focus on a specific emotion- anger, happiness, sadness, love, hate. You can choose an emotion going by how you feel on a specific day. This is excellent training for advanced ritual.

https://templeofzeus.org/Zevist_Void_Meditation.php

Mastering the ability of state control I.e the ability of conjuring up emotions at will from within yourself, without any outside stimulus is when you can say you've truly reached an intermediate Zevism advancement level. After mastering this ability almost nothing coming from outside of you will phase you. A true Yogi, a hard pillar in the ground unchanged by any wind that hits him. This is also how you'll be able to experience the equanimity state where your experiencing emotions fully and yet Dissociating the ego from the identity its working through so it doesn't affect you personally. At this stage, weakness from outside of you is extinguished.

HPMageson talks about the true ego,that is born out of and removed from the dross. Hes talking about the Kundalini Alchemical Process. What I'm talking about is the mental ego and the emotional ego.The balance of equanimity of emotions and the separation of the true ego is a function of the higher brain conceptually and of a being of higher consciousness in practice. And you are correct no matter how trained(wrongly trained), most people get traumatized about a lot of things. But Zevism aren't most people. The Zevism are supposed to be the elite in terms of higher abilities against the entire population so I don't judge the Zevism here the same way I judge the normal people. And even if I do judge them, it doesn't make much difference because most people here don't even understand most of the things I'm talking out since its completely out of their reality. The ones who get this will take it to heart and the ones who can't comprehend it will leave it and keep living their lives unchanging as it were. Makes no difference to me or the agenda of the Zevism which will go on unchanged with the things that are to come which everyone here will experience.

What you're talking about is way far ahead for most people. The state you're talking about is legit, but there is observations that even Gods make which have shaken and will continue to shake them to the core. It's the nature of the universe. When one hits a certain level in development of what you're saying, things below that certain level won't hurt them or affect them in any serious way sure. Things that are though don't apply, even advanced Zevism will experience emotional shocks that are too much for them to take at that one moment, frying them out or driving them insane if they persist so that's why we are supposed to be patient. Know when we have to rest, recuperate and ameliorate our emotional friction and stresses. Even people in emotional equanimity have to do this, but that's the thing, in a war(or if you are working on a project which demands a lot of time) you have to know how to do RnR in a quick, efficient way so as to save precious time.

It doesn't mean never do RnR and just 100% zoning into a mindset of war, not many people can do that who are here and the grand majority of humans are nowhere near that level, they are still on the process of experience and of transforming their soul and mind to understand and eventually be capable of doing that. This same thing here, which makes the soul callous to the loud and violent things, can also get confused with lack of actual sensitivity, like a psychopath who doesn't actually feel emotion and thinks he's above it cos of "discipline" or some wank. That's different. You have to make sure you get the differentiation between the two: the being high up in the resilience metre, and flat out psychopath. Also learn to value those who don't adhere to systems as you seem to be a systemic thinking, regimented type of a personality who doesn't like different, hippie-ish personalities. Those types of people are much better at being unpredictable generally, which is an important trait in any kind of warfare. Yes, even if they are tentative in going overboard with RnR stuff, but not if they are jeopardising you and your aims.

Azorm's reply is hilarious btw lol, but I think you're more aware than you sometimes let on.

Lunar Dance 666
#36
Jack wrote:

The process of dissociation of the true ego from the identity while fully experiencing the emotions yet being unaffected by it ,is gained practically after advanced forms of voidvmeditation.

A true Yogi, a hard pillar in the ground unchanged by any wind that hits him. This is also how you'll be able to experience the equanimity state where your experiencing emotions fully and yet Dissociating the ego from the identity its working through so it doesn't affect you personally. At this stage, weakness from outside of you is extinguished.

HPMageson talks about the true ego,that is born out of and removed from the dross. Hes talking about the Kundalini Alchemical Process. What I'm talking about is the mental ego and the emotional ego.The balance of equanimity of emotions and the separation of the true ego is a function of the higher brain conceptually and of a being of higher consciousness in practice. And you are correct no matter how trained(wrongly trained), most people get traumatized about a lot of things. But Zevism aren't most people. The Zevism are supposed to be the elite in terms of higher abilities against the entire population so I don't judge the Zevism here the same way I judge the normal people. And even if I do judge them, it doesn't make much difference because most people here don't even understand most of the things I'm talking out since its completely out of their reality. The ones who get this will take it to heart and the ones who can't comprehend it will leave it and keep living their lives unchanging as it were. Makes no difference to me or the agenda of the Zevism which will go on unchanged with the things that are to come which everyone here will experience.

There are a couple of things Id like to say here, but let me ask you first, do you have a dominance of water?
I do not think you quite understand what water dominant people go through yet here you are posting a long post with 'advice' and how others should behave.

People dominant in water feel their emotions pretty much all the time to begin with. When something upsetting happens, it feels like being hit by a concrete wall (crashing car into it at full speed), stepping on a couple of landmines, and if the feeling continues even a cat 5 tornado like Katrina.
If you expect to live your life normal and with a pokerface through all of that, you are mistaken and it is abnormal to do so. Imagine watching a loved one die. Someone close to your heart. Did you not care at all?
At least we Zevists have some perspective that makes it more relateable and a little bit easier to deal with because even if said person has left the physical plane he or she isnt gone forever. Well usually not.

How is this any different from the image of the warrior, portrayed in movies, stabding tall with a sword in hand, chopping down enemy after enemy on a bloody battlefield?

if you disconnect the "emotional ego" arent you just disassociating yourself from your emotions and disconnecting yourself from them? How contradictory.

Look, some of the things you say may be useful but there are plenty of things that reek like you just read em somewhere, they sounded good and you decided to apply them without thinking whether or not itd even make sense to apply them in the first place.

HP Mageson wrote:

If youd be so kind to confirm whether or not this info about these egos is actually true?