I want to see proof before I go further with any religion, if that makes sense. I am new to this, so please be patient.
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Active TranslatorWhen you begin, your faith will be a very low %, and that is normal.
You want something shown to you, that you can see, touch, smell, hear, or smell. Today, that is understandable, but it is not realistic without having at least the faith to start walking the path.
No one here—not me, the Guardians, or the Clergy—can gave you the proof that you want. You have to seek validation by yourself through Zevism.
I will tell you, however, that Daemons/Gods exist, and one is residing in you.
I should mention, though, that if you ask the Gods, or Zeus Himself, to give you a sign, They will send you something.
It could be sacred animals, or through music, for instance.
When I first dedicated, everyday for some time crows and ravens visited by porch, sometimes in a pair, or as many as 4.
If one has followed logic and rationality to their best of their abilities before finding this place then every thing mentioned in the ToZ will follow said logic and will open a door to the expansion of such. Nothing else in this world has this capability and definitely not to such a high level of it.
The above was my first, along with many others here, experience to know for a fact this place and teachings are the ultimate Truth.
From here many more instances have happened such as GoldenxChilds comment, for example.
One all has to do is take the first step and try it for themselves.
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I think good proofs are testimonies, you can search for them there.
I can say that before some dangerous situations and similar things there were times i saw a raven somewhere high for example on a high tree. Raven is animal of Zeus and if it is somewhere high, that means that raven observe situation.
I believe i was protected, thats why these situations ended well for me.
GoldenxChild1 wrote:View source I should mention, though, that if you ask the Gods, or Zeus Himself, to give you a sign, They will send you something.
It could be sacred animals, or through music, for instance.
When I first dedicated, everyday for some time crows and ravens visited by porch, sometimes in a pair, or as many as 4.
Couldn't that just be coincidenc though.
28teow20 wrote:View source Couldn't that just be coincidenc though.
What a strange "coincidence," no?
This loops back to my first message. You have to have enough faith to see for yourself. You lose nothing by being curious.
Why wait on things outside of you and depend on external things to give you answers? Especially when some answers can only be found within? Experience it for yourself. What do you have to lose?
28teow20 wrote:View source Couldn't that just be coincidenc though.
I also had a flock of ravens come perch outside my window on the morning of my dedication. They are associated with Odin, who is Zeus, the God of Gods.
28teow20 wrote:View source I want to see proof before I go further with any religion, if that makes sense. I am new to this, so please be patient.
Don't do anything then - what for? The are sooooo many coincidences that life itself is an unknown, something random. Don't bother yourself with that and MAYBE you'll be fine. :)
There. This is the answer you want, you expect? Good.
Each and every one of us has those 'weird' coincidences. To question them is good, as this makes us think, but to be cynical about everything can turn you into a nihilist. We have a Purpose, and a Way.
28teow20 wrote:View source I want to see proof before I go further with any religion, if that makes sense. I am new to this, so please be patient.
For me the proof exists in the doing, I know its the opposite of what you wanted to hear but its true, at least for me.
Whenever I do a Ritual to our Gods and every time I do so I feel the energy of the God afterwards, not metaphorically or poetically but literally, the magickal workings provided have literally cured me of issues the doctors said there is no cure for, yet again these were literal diagnosed physical ailments from birth that are now gone.
Our site also provides a wealth of evidence, but PROOF requires you to take the leap of faith I am afraid, I would suggest reading Plato's allegory of the cave, it is unbeknownst to most a spiritual metaphor, no matter how hard you try, no matter how keenly you search will simply not see the light of truth until you step out of the cave.
I could talk about how ever single pantheon on Earth has a Sky Father, a male God of the Sun who represents knowledge and learning, a Female God who is associated with Venus, I could explain the chances of this being a coincidence are literally 0, how cultures and peoples all came to the same conclusions about the nature of divinity when separated by race, language and of course vast at the time impassable distances.
I could talk of how each belief system fundamentally follows the same concept of "Titans" being "Slain" by a "Sky Father" to create "Order" out of "Chaos".
But that's EVIDENCE and PROOF can only be found outside the cave.
If you have more questions feel free to ask.
Epiphany wrote:View source Why wait on things outside of you and depend on external things to give you answers? Especially when some answers can only be found within? Experience it for yourself. What do you have to lose?
I also had a flock of ravens come perch outside my window on the morning of my dedication. They are associated with Odin, who is Zeus, the God of Gods.
I always had flocks of ravens following me, and I notice them around 2002. I can't imagine what would have happen if I would have took the time to search what was the meaning of raven.
28teow20 wrote:View source I want to see proof before I go further with any religion, if that makes sense. I am new to this, so please be patient.
I should also note on top of what I said before, you are not required to fully "believe" before engaging with our meditations or even before dedicating, I was an athiest before joining the path, you can in fact take it one step at a time, Zevism is not christianity, we do not demand blind faith.
GoldenxChild1 wrote:View source You have to have enough faith to see for yourself. You lose nothing by being curious.
@28teow20 okay, the above quote may be triggering for people due to the word 'faith' being abused by major, mainstearm 'religions'. If this is your case, I'll then recommend to you this - Rene Descartes' quote "I doubt therefore I am" is the best way to go about it.
Don't 'believe' if you associate 'believing' with 'blindly following some vague doctrins'.
Refuse to accept anything at face value BUT (and this is vital) investigate. Oh, and don't think you'll spend just a couple of moments researching - it will take you MUCH time.
Feel free to ask questions, and know that skepticism is okay, as long as you do not confuse it with cynicism.
Sate your curiosity - go!
GoldenxChild1 wrote:View source When you begin, your faith will be a very low %, and that is normal.
You want something shown to you, that you can see, touch, smell, hear, or smell. Today, that is understandable, but it is not realistic without having at least the faith to start walking the path.
No one here—not me, the Guardians, or the Clergy—can gave you the proof that you want. You have to seek validation by yourself through Zevism.
I will tell you, however, that Daemons/Gods exist, and one is residing in you.
My worry is that I might not be true, and that I may be deceived. How do I get past that? Also, what exact resources should I use on the sites, if you have any recommendations.
hailourtruegod wrote:View source If one has followed logic and rationality to their best of their abilities before finding this place then every thing mentioned in the ToZ will follow said logic and will open a door to the expansion of such. Nothing else in this world has this capability and definitely not to such a high level of it.
The above was my first, along with many others here, experience to know for a fact this place and teachings are the ultimate Truth.
From here many more instances have happened such as GoldenxChilds comment, for example.
One all has to do is take the first step and try it for themselves.
Can you give some examples of how someone might independently come to believe some of the core doctrines?
GoldenxChild1 wrote:View source I should mention, though, that if you ask the Gods, or Zeus Himself, to give you a sign, They will send you something.
It could be sacred animals, or through music, for instance.
When I first dedicated, everyday for some time crows and ravens visited by porch, sometimes in a pair, or as many as 4.
What is a reasonable request, and how do I make sure that I am being genuine and not doing it disrespectfully?
GoldenxChild1 wrote:View source I will tell you, however, that Daemons/Gods exist, and one is residing in you.
What do you mean?
Epiphany wrote:View source Why wait on things outside of you and depend on external things to give you answers? Especially when some answers can only be found within? Experience it for yourself.
I am worried that I may be deceived.