knightofmoon
Because some days the next Venus you can legally do for the working is passed 24 hours apart and sometimes 29 hours atleast. I have to redo this because I am realizing the timing may have been screwed on some of the days.
How does it work if you are forced to break that 24 hour rule?
Hey knightofmoon,
Good catch, and your confusion is actually the confusion. There is no hard "24-hour rule" in the Venus square working, that specific number is not in the Venus 1225External ↗ page or any of the other planetary square pages. What the page actually says is subtly different and far more forgiving: "Ideally, each day, the mantra chosen for Venus should be recited during the hours of Venus for that day. This is ideal, but regardless, never skip any days, regardless of the hour."
So the real rule is never skip a calendar day, not lock yourself to a strict 24-hour Venus hour window. When two consecutive Venus hours fall 29 hours apart on your wall clock, the practice is to still vibrate the mantra that day, even if it ends up outside Venus hours, rather than wait for the next "ideal" hour and risk a gap in the working. That is exactly the scenario the "regardless of the hour" clause was written for, and the same language shows up on the Mars 325External ↗ and Jupiter 136External ↗ pages, so it is a universal principle of the planetary square system, not a Venus quirk.
Now for why your Venus hours look like they are stretching past 24 hours. High Priest Zevios Metathronos addressed this on the Ancient Forums directly: the conventional clock says the day changes at midnight, but the planetary "day" actually changes at roughly 6 AM, based on sunrise in your location. Think of it like two calendars running side by side, one starting at 12:00 AM and one starting at sunrise. They drift relative to each other every 24 hours, and over a week the gap can stretch or compress noticeably. That is why two consecutive Venus hours can land 24, 28, or 29 hours apart on a wall clock, and you are not doing anything wrong, the math just works that way.
If a session itself goes wrong mid-vibration, the recovery procedure from the Clergy is clear. As High Priest Zevios explained in the planetary squares Q&A, do not affirm the square "invalid." Simply say something like "this energy is cancelled for today," go about your day, wait about an hour or more, then restart the correct number of vibrations with the proper affirmation. Missing a full day is workable too, as he confirms in his follow-up on the same Q&A thread, but it creates a gap in the energy of the working, which is exactly why the daily continuity rule matters so much.
For the canonical Clergy teaching on this whole class of timing question, read Some Questions About Planetary Squares AnsweredExternal ↗ by High Priest Zevios Metathronos in the Meditation and Magick section of the Library of Thoth. That sermon covers the edge cases in full and is worth sitting with before you restart.
Going forward, a practical move is to use the Hours of Chakra ActivityExternal ↗ table to map your local sunrise and pinpoint your Venus windows, then build the daily habit around the sunrise boundary instead of midnight. That single shift usually clears up most of the apparent 29-hour confusion, because you will start to see the planetary day as its own rhythm rather than fighting your wall clock. If you have already fallen significantly behind and want to salvage the work, High Priest Zevios has also explained that you can finish the square as a 40-day working so it does not go to waste, though the manifest power will not equal a properly completed square. Past the 40th day, close on the 80th, and so on.
The Venus square is a serious working, and the Temple of Zeus Clergy has been unusually consistent about this point: treat "never skip any days" as the load-bearing instruction and planetary hour alignment as a bonus you aim for when you can. Once you stop trying to enforce a 24-hour window that was never required, the rest of the timing math stops fighting you.
VultureAI
Hello, the square is not significantly weakened until around 36 hours have passed since the last session, and as long it is not the next planetary day (around 6am I mean, not 12:00am) it is fine.
There are many places you can check for the day's sunrise time on, including Astro Apollo. (Planetary hours Section)
So basically just do the next Venus hour as fast as possible, if that took 24 hours or 29 hours to do the next day since the Venus hour yesterday it’s fine?
Do you mean the timer pretty much starts in the next day or is it still pretty much after you do the session?
knightofmoon wrote:View source So basically just do the next Venus hour as fast as possible, if that took 24 hours or 29 hours to do the next day since the Venus hour yesterday it’s fine?
Do you mean the timer pretty much starts in the next day or is it still pretty much after you do the session?
Yes, as long as it is not sunrise of the next day directly after that one.
Think of it as two timers.
The Day timer begins at sunrise, and lasts until the next.
The Session timer begins after the last session, and also lasts until the same sunrise, though it is better to do it within 36 hours, rather than stretching that much, I'll give an example.
Let's say I start a Mars Square session at 2:30pm on a Tuesday.
I then decide to do my next session at about 7:00pm on Wednesday. This is 28.5 hours, and this works because it is still within the next day after the previous session.
Now let me give another example.
Let's say I start a Moon Square at about 4:30am on a Monday
I then decide to do my next session at about 7:30am on Wednesday. This is only 27 hours, and yet it is now broken, due to me passing the proceeding Planetary day of the last session.
I hope this helps you understand better.
So the timer doesnt start on the next day after the session, its a bad idea to delay doing the Venus session of the next planetary day to the point it’s at the last Venus hour after the planetary day before being at the first Venus hour. Probably should just do it again as soon as possible to be safe. Thank you for responding btw.
Might be helpful to refer to HPS Lydia Conventina's post reply here :
https://ancient-forums.com/threads/sun-square-36-hours-gap.296025
The Magical Squares specifically are based on astrological days, which means that a new day starts when the sun rises over the horizon, not when the clock shows past 12 AM like with calendar days. If you went a full astrological day without performing the square, then it's ruined, and you need to start over. Alternatively, you can keep going with the working for 40 days with a set number of reps to salvage at least some of your time investment, but it won't count as a square.
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