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Great power always comes with great responsibility, and your idea of justice may not align with the one the Gods have.
Zevism is far from being a hollow, empty "religion". Instead, it teaches the proper way of meaningful existence based in Truth.
Have you performed the dedication ritual?

Walk the path with the Gods through Zevism diligently. Want to make the world a better place? Want to use your power properly? Study this site for all it offers, including the Liturgical Prayers of Izfet and Ma'at. Sure you can sure as hell try without being a Zevist but doesn't make sense logically considering things will just be more clear as you walk this path.

Apprentice wrote:View source

Great power always comes with great responsibility, and your idea of justice may not align with the one the Gods have.
Zevism is far from being a hollow, empty "religion". Instead, it teaches the proper way of meaningful existence based in Truth.
Have you performed the dedication ritual?

eternal666light wrote:View source

Walk the path with the Gods through Zevism diligently. Want to make the world a better place? Want to use your power properly? Study this site for all it offers, including the Liturgical Prayers of Izfet and Ma'at. Sure you can sure as hell try without being a Zevist but doesn't make sense logically considering things will just be more clear as you walk this path.

Trying to push Zevism like this to someone who isn’t a Zevist doesn’t work. They already said they’re not a Zevist, this should be respected.

N0b0dy wrote:View source

Hello.

I can do magick but it seems to only work when Im in a psychotic break? When I say magick, I mean high level stuff. Its just that when im in these states im often in a lot of stress, overstimulated and it tends to disrupt my life a lot in terms of being "compatible with society", if thats makes sense? It drives me *actual crazy*, in the sense of being dysfunctional.

Im not a zevist. The whole religion thing doesnt appeal to me at all, but im convinced this community at least used to have advanced people here. I havent been here in awhile, but I assume this is still true.

If I can figure out how to do magick without going psycho, theres a lot of opportunities available to me. I just dont have anyone I know to talk to about this. Ive gotten hints from dreams and such, but the *gods* seem to largly leave me to figure it out myself.

The issue is that Im trying to start a new career at the same time also, and it feels like Im being stretched too thin between these paths. Do you think I need to solely commit to just one thing right now?

When im in the right mindset, rituals work within hours. Ive blown out light bulbs by sending energy to them, Ive astral projected to people and messed with their devices without even being consciously aware of it, Ive had people get beaten up physically when they annoyed me. My power hasnt been used in the best ways, but I want to learn to use it more reliably and for the right reasons. I want to make the world a better place.

If anyone has any ideas, lmk. Thx.

Rituals work better when a lot of emotion and energy are put into them. Your periods of power may have been coincided with moon phases of astrological placements.

Yoga and bandhas are very good at creating proper energy circulation in the body and soul which will help you control your emotions and increase your soul power, creating better results in your magick.

High Priestess Lydia Coventia has made a lot of good posts on yoga. You don’t need to be a Zevist to apply the knowledge she has given into practice. A lot of emotional struggles come from “blockages” in the chakras, also known as granthis.

I completely understand your distaste for religion. I’ve had that too.

Religion’s image has been deeply corrupted by Abrahamism, and sadly this pushy agressive attitude seems to be present in some Zevists as well. It just wards people off, those with a sense of self respect anyway.

Our website has a advanced philosophy section at the bottom where aspects of life are explored deeply. If you’re interested you could read these and see if they appeal to what you value. It goes into detail on Zevist/Pagan philosophy which is very different and in many ways opposite to mainstream “religion”.

God/the Gods are not what you think they are, it’s nothing like the bible. If you want, try to communicate with them as described in the TOZ materials. They are real and value your freedom and individuality very deeply.

Acolyte Of Pan 666 wrote:View source

Rituals work better when a lot of emotion and energy are put into them. Your periods of power may have been coincided with moon phases of astrological placements.

You could have a deeper understanding of you emotional state through the AstroApollo service we provide:

https://astroapollo.org/External ↗

The main website provides the current astrological placements which have an effect on people's emotional states amongst other things.

In the natal chart page you can see your astrological and planetary placements, which will explain why you feel the way you feel at certain times and scenarios:

Acolyte Of Pan 666 wrote:View source

In the natal chart page you can see your astrological and planetary placements, which will explain why you feel the way you feel at certain times and scenarios:

https://astroapollo.org/natal-chart-formExternal ↗

It's best when you put your birth hour as well. This gives you the most accurate placement.

Acolyte Of Pan 666 wrote:View source

Trying to push Zevism like this to someone who isn’t a Zevist doesn’t work. They already said they’re not a Zevist, this should be respected.

It's about their own future and safety.

"Many who have dabbled in the occult, magick, or even ancient Egypt (as Egypt and all of the occult are always of the Gods) have experienced misfortune, as they have not made a commitment.

We often find that outsiders can only go so far in these areas. They are frequently attacked by enemy spirits: beings that are hostile to humans. When we make a commitment, we become part of the Family of Zeus, where we are welcomed to learn, grow, and evolve."

Source: templeofzeus.org/SACRAMENTS.php

Apprentice wrote:View source

It's about their own future and safety.

"Many who have dabbled in the occult, magick, or even ancient Egypt (as Egypt and all of the occult are always of the Gods) have experienced misfortune, as they have not made a commitment.

We often find that outsiders can only go so far in these areas. They are frequently attacked by enemy spirits: beings that are hostile to humans. When we make a commitment, we become part of the Family of Zeus, where we are welcomed to learn, grow, and evolve."

Source: templeofzeus.org/SACRAMENTS.php

That's a decision they have to make. Pushing it on them only achieves the opposite result.

Acolyte Of Pan 666 wrote:View source

Trying to push Zevism like this to someone who isn’t a Zevist doesn’t work. They already said they’re not a Zevist, this should be respected.

Rituals work better when a lot of emotion and energy are put into them. Your periods of power may have been coincided with moon phases of astrological placements.

Yoga and bandhas are very good at creating proper energy circulation in the body and soul which will help you control your emotions and increase your soul power, creating better results in your magick.

High Priestess Lydia Coventia has made a lot of good posts on yoga. You don’t need to be a Zevist to apply the knowledge she has given into practice. A lot of emotional struggles come from “blockages” in the chakras, also known as granthis.

I completely understand your distaste for religion. I’ve had that too.

Religion’s image has been deeply corrupted by Abrahamism, and sadly this pushy agressive attitude seems to be present in some Zevists as well. It just wards people off, those with a sense of self respect anyway.

Our website has a advanced philosophy section at the bottom where aspects of life are explored deeply. If you’re interested you could read these and see if they appeal to what you value. It goes into detail on Zevist/Pagan philosophy which is very different and in many ways opposite to mainstream “religion”.

God/the Gods are not what you think they are, it’s nothing like the bible. If you want, try to communicate with them as described in the TOZ materials. They are real and value your freedom and individuality very deeply.

This is not pushing. This is genuine advice. Who has exceptional abilities, doesn’t last long in this world without protection of higher beings. Knowing this. And knowing the fastest safest way towards establishing magical power and maintaining it, Experienced Zevists gives advice from their experience. This is sane suggestion and appropriate for everyone who are striving and willing to do magic as true initiates and adepts. Any other way is outside of this context.

Someone comes to Zevist community to ask a question and gets a Zevist answer. This is normal. What is pushy?

Acolyte Of Pan 666 wrote:View source

That's a decision they have to make. Pushing it on them only achieves the opposite result.

The title says it all, the OP is asking what he/she missing for her own life to be better while doing magick. If you feel that we are "pushing" Zevism on people that are asking why they cannot use magick safely without telling them that been dedicated is the best way to attain this, then accept it like it is. Thats the only advice we can give to the OP.

N0b0dy wrote:View source

Hello.

I can do magick but it seems to only work when Im in a psychotic break? When I say magick, I mean high level stuff. Its just that when im in these states im often in a lot of stress, overstimulated and it tends to disrupt my life a lot in terms of being "compatible with society", if thats makes sense? It drives me *actual crazy*, in the sense of being dysfunctional.

Im not a zevist. The whole religion thing doesnt appeal to me at all, but im convinced this community at least used to have advanced people here. I havent been here in awhile, but I assume this is still true.

If I can figure out how to do magick without going psycho, theres a lot of opportunities available to me. I just dont have anyone I know to talk to about this. Ive gotten hints from dreams and such, but the *gods* seem to largly leave me to figure it out myself.

The issue is that Im trying to start a new career at the same time also, and it feels like Im being stretched too thin between these paths. Do you think I need to solely commit to just one thing right now?

When im in the right mindset, rituals work within hours. Ive blown out light bulbs by sending energy to them, Ive astral projected to people and messed with their devices without even being consciously aware of it, Ive had people get beaten up physically when they annoyed me. My power hasnt been used in the best ways, but I want to learn to use it more reliably and for the right reasons. I want to make the world a better place.

If anyone has any ideas, lmk. Thx.

Look. I see you are not Zevist. But studying ToZ would make you able to decide very well, because it is a very broad approach and encompasses all practices from all over the world. When knowledge and understanding was bad? See what this place can offer you first, then think if this can be right for you. The answer from your heart will speak for itself. You came here to ask a question, one person can do as much as to direct you to the source, but your own research on TempleofZeus.org would bring best results for you in looking for answer yet. Dedication Ritual would be ideal, as it ensures safe passage and it is a magic in itself, a courageous step which makes leave all doubts and programmings towards and against magic, to see it as it truly is. Feel free to do your research, and always welcomed to ask more questions.

Directly telling someone to join a religion when they explicitly said they don't like religion isn't the right way in this instance. That person likely has had experiences of christians constantly telling them to become christian in an commanding manner which simply pushes the person away from christianity. I'm sure christians also thought it was for the person's "own good".

In this instance dedicating would offer them protection, but we should not tell them to do that in the same way christians do so. I understand it serves as an ego-boost, but practically it's just not a good approach.

And then saying they'll get attacked if they don't also offers fear. Even if it is true, framing it that way is also just christian in tone as well. People should dedicate out of a desire for the Gods, not just for protection.

All I'm saying is we should not promote Zevism in the same way christians do.

Anyone who works in marketing would understand that. It's how you say something, not what you say. They come in and said they don't like religion and feel the Gods are distant, you then push religion on them as the solution.

It should be offered. Saying "Have you performed the dedication ritual?" or that their current approach isn't logical is one of the worst ways to do that. It feels like an attack on their current choice.

Instead, framing Zevism as path of individual spiritual development, which it is, and appealing to their dislike of organised abrahamic religion rather than posing in the same way organised religions do will make it more likely that they will choose to dedicate later.

N0b0dy wrote:View source

Hello.

I can do magick but it seems to only work when Im in a psychotic break? When I say magick, I mean high level stuff. Its just that when im in these states im often in a lot of stress, overstimulated and it tends to disrupt my life a lot in terms of being "compatible with society", if thats makes sense? It drives me *actual crazy*, in the sense of being dysfunctional.

Im not a zevist. The whole religion thing doesnt appeal to me at all, but im convinced this community at least used to have advanced people here. I havent been here in awhile, but I assume this is still true.

If I can figure out how to do magick without going psycho, theres a lot of opportunities available to me. I just dont have anyone I know to talk to about this. Ive gotten hints from dreams and such, but the *gods* seem to largly leave me to figure it out myself.

The issue is that Im trying to start a new career at the same time also, and it feels like Im being stretched too thin between these paths. Do you think I need to solely commit to just one thing right now?

When im in the right mindset, rituals work within hours. Ive blown out light bulbs by sending energy to them, Ive astral projected to people and messed with their devices without even being consciously aware of it, Ive had people get beaten up physically when they annoyed me. My power hasnt been used in the best ways, but I want to learn to use it more reliably and for the right reasons. I want to make the world a better place.

If anyone has any ideas, lmk. Thx.

You're not a Zevist because you don't care about religion but the Gods (that sometimes don't have time for their own children) speak to you when you sleep.. you basically have superpowers but you need a career advice from us..could you be just full of It?

Nikólaos666 wrote:

The first problem is that OP doesn't know what religion truly is as he/she link it with the bullshit religions of Yehuborims. The only real religions were the old religions with the Gods. The Temple of Zeus is the only place that bring all this sacred knowledge of the past and recreate the true religion. I know you already know that.

If OP is here, searching for answers, is because the Gods lead him here. This is his/her call to join the Gods. There is no problem telling others to look at the only real religion of the World and seek answers here. If this person leave because he/she is afraid of "religion", so be it. It will be OP choice, we are not going to pursue OP until he/she breaks down and dedicate (THAT is what the Yehuborim religions do).

And I addressed that in my first reply to the OP.

You can spout "We the true religion" all you like but to outsiders this framing just feels like christianity 2.0. Approaching outisders with an empathetic framing and explaining to them in an offering rather than a preachy manner on how Zevism actually aligns with their values is a must.

Do not put Zevism in a christian coating. A lot of new people are here because they specifically rejected that coating and are looking for a personal approach, not being pushed around by self-rigtheous types to just join. You may not care how people feel, but if we want to grow our spiritual nation, we need to speak to their hearts and not try to dominate them like this.

christian preachers of old often adopted the customs, behaviours and languages of the peope they went to preach to so they can appeal to them, they spoke in their own level. Paul himself said this. Those classical preachers were successful because they adopted an approach that works.

The pushy, dogmatic christians that are often online but also in real life create more ex-christians than converts because the manner they do it in makes people put their inner defenses on and pushes them away from the religion rather than pull them towards it.

We need to be able to communicate the message properly and in relation to how the person is currently. It needs to appeal and relate to them, it must not be placed in an adversarial manner towards them.

We speak to the heart to appeal to them. It needs to feel like it's part of them and what they value.

N0b0dy wrote:View source

Hello.

I can do magick but it seems to only work when Im in a psychotic break? When I say magick, I mean high level stuff. Its just that when im in these states im often in a lot of stress, overstimulated and it tends to disrupt my life a lot in terms of being "compatible with society", if thats makes sense? It drives me *actual crazy*, in the sense of being dysfunctional.

Im not a zevist. The whole religion thing doesnt appeal to me at all, but im convinced this community at least used to have advanced people here. I havent been here in awhile, but I assume this is still true.

If I can figure out how to do magick without going psycho, theres a lot of opportunities available to me. I just dont have anyone I know to talk to about this. Ive gotten hints from dreams and such, but the *gods* seem to largly leave me to figure it out myself.

The issue is that Im trying to start a new career at the same time also, and it feels like Im being stretched too thin between these paths. Do you think I need to solely commit to just one thing right now?

When im in the right mindset, rituals work within hours. Ive blown out light bulbs by sending energy to them, Ive astral projected to people and messed with their devices without even being consciously aware of it, Ive had people get beaten up physically when they annoyed me. My power hasnt been used in the best ways, but I want to learn to use it more reliably and for the right reasons. I want to make the world a better place.

If anyone has any ideas, lmk. Thx.

Hello!

Magic is a pretty straightforward recipe: a significant amount of energy + directing of such energy.

There are different ways you can derive a high current of energy, and an intense emotional state such as what you described is a condition where this naturally happens. It makes your bioelectricity run high, even if not in the best of ways for you.

Plus, in such a state, your mind is inevitably obsessed with something - the object of your intense emotions. That gives you a sharp point of focus that directs the energy towards it. Wherever you focus intently upon, energy follows towards there.

This is why magic seems to work best for you when you're in what you call psychotic breaks. And this is also why a lot of common people often "perform magic" without willingly performing any specific steps. They're deeply obsessed with something out of anger, sadness, compulsive desire etc, and they end up manifesting their will to some extent, even if that's just someone they hate twisting their ankle or something.

However, this is not only very limited, but can also be psychologically draining and obviously unhealthy - and as you pointed out, socially impractical.

This is why we meditate.

The answer is simple:

- By doing void meditation and visualization exercises daily, your focus will become heightened and you will be able fo focus upon anything at will, without relying on the obsession that comes with an intense emotional state for that.

- By doing power meditations and yoga daily, you will increasingly elevate your energy current - and it will always be there for you to tap upon when you need, without relying on the energy charge that comes with an intense emotional state for that, either.

This is what makes a truly powerful magician, who is truly in control of his magic.

And when you start following a meditation routine, you will find yourself practicing something that looks a lot like what you perceive as "religion". It's basically inevitable.

In the end of the day though, the choice is yours whether to follow Zevism or not. But besides developing an individual relationship with the Gods and improving your spiritual state and skills, becoming a Zevist is also a way you can align yourself with other people who have common goals for the world, which will effectively make you able to make the world a better place, as you say you wish to.

Hope this helps!

Acolyte Of Pan 666 wrote:View source

Trying to push Zevism like this to someone who isn’t a Zevist doesn’t work. They already said they’re not a Zevist, this should be respected.

Rituals work better when a lot of emotion and energy are put into them. Your periods of power may have been coincided with moon phases of astrological placements.

Yoga and bandhas are very good at creating proper energy circulation in the body and soul which will help you control your emotions and increase your soul power, creating better results in your magick.

High Priestess Lydia Coventia has made a lot of good posts on yoga. You don’t need to be a Zevist to apply the knowledge she has given into practice. A lot of emotional struggles come from “blockages” in the chakras, also known as granthis.

I completely understand your distaste for religion. I’ve had that too.

Religion’s image has been deeply corrupted by Abrahamism, and sadly this pushy agressive attitude seems to be present in some Zevists as well. It just wards people off, those with a sense of self respect anyway.

Our website has a advanced philosophy section at the bottom where aspects of life are explored deeply. If you’re interested you could read these and see if they appeal to what you value. It goes into detail on Zevist/Pagan philosophy which is very different and in many ways opposite to mainstream “religion”.

God/the Gods are not what you think they are, it’s nothing like the bible. If you want, try to communicate with them as described in the TOZ materials. They are real and value your freedom and individuality very deeply.

I'm not sure in what way astrology is related, but yes definitely emotions are a key factor. I would say that generally psychology is too.

I appreciate you not pushing religion onto me, even if doing so might be valid. Individuality is very important to me. In most cases when I run into a spirit in the astral, it's almost always hostile towards me. I can't remember the last time I had a pleasant experience interacting with one. Now, just to be clear these things didn't have the same energy as the Demons and didn't claim to be that either.

I would say you're all right with different perspectives on this.

If the Demons/Gods are actually willing to help me figure things out, then yes it's only logical to go that route since there doesn't seem to be any other source of certain important knowledge, at least not given publicly. Actually your idea of controlling emotions seems to make a lot of sense and align with what other sources have said. I have a deep stigma towards religious institutions, even towards this one honestly even if there isn't reason to be. I'm not ready to lower my guard, and perhaps I never will be honestly.

Experimenting with yoga and emotional control-- two completely valid advices. Thanks, I'll look into it.

nema wrote:View source

You're not a Zevist because you don't care about religion but the Gods (that sometimes don't have time for their own children) speak to you when you sleep.. you basically have superpowers but you need a career advice from us..could you be just full of It?

I just wanted to say that there are people here who have/can give someone like me useful advice. The power I have access to right now isn't reliable, and the results are outright confusing actually. It's hardly even useful to be honest.

Acolyte Of Pan 666 wrote:View source

We speak to the heart to appeal to them. It needs to feel like it's part of them and what they value.

And we spoke from the heart to give them what we truly feel they need to hear. All the information they need to know is on this site / templeofzeus, they just need to absorb that knowledge and decide for themselves. They of course can walk a path of spirituality free from any deity but that's like trying to raise yourself as a child without your parents or their guidance, its just harder, more dangerous and you can learn the wrong way of doing things.

I of course see your point of view but some people need to hear different things. Some need to be told directly, and some you need to beat around the bush and do reverse-psychology since they refuse advice or to be told certain things due to their "ego". So in that sense, all of us sharing our opinion on this matter from different angles will get a point across one or another.

Acolyte Of Pan 666 wrote:View source

And I addressed that in my first reply to the OP.

You can spout "We the true religion" all you like but to outsiders this framing just feels like christianity 2.0. Approaching outisders with an empathetic framing and explaining to them in an offering rather than a preachy manner on how Zevism actually aligns with their values is a must.

Do not put Zevism in a christian coating. A lot of new people are here because they specifically rejected that coating and are looking for a personal approach, not being pushed around by self-rigtheous types to just join. You may not care how people feel, but if we want to grow our spiritual nation, we need to speak to their hearts and not try to dominate them like this.

christian preachers of old often adopted the customs, behaviours and languages of the peope they went to preach to so they can appeal to them, they spoke in their own level. Paul himself said this. Those classical preachers were successful because they adopted an approach that works.

The pushy, dogmatic christians that are often online but also in real life create more ex-christians than converts because the manner they do it in makes people put their inner defenses on and pushes them away from the religion rather than pull them towards it.

We need to be able to communicate the message properly and in relation to how the person is currently. It needs to appeal and relate to them, it must not be placed in an adversarial manner towards them.

We speak to the heart to appeal to them. It needs to feel like it's part of them and what they value.

When the doubts in your minds,about Zevism, will be almost completely wiped, you will understand fully.