On Doubt About Magickal Workings

SleepingWolf wrote:

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

Now about "Doubt" in a less philosophical aspect related to one's workings:

If you are 180 days in with no change, this means you need to increase your power, and take a step back and let the working do it's job. This is a very rare situation, it's an exaggeration to even bring this up. Factors of the present may prevent you from being able to see a major manifestation at this current point.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

This 180 days, does this also apply to healing? I'm now on my 3rd 80 day cycle to heal my eyesight, and the tinnitus afflicting my ears. I can notice changes in what my eyes can focus on, and letters that would be very out of focus from two feet out without eyewear, are now about as focused as they'd be when I was one foot away, before I started the working.

Does this mean it'd be better to finish my current 80 day working, then just come back when I have more power, or just continue doing 80 cycles til it's done? It's clearly working, and I know healing takes much time, but I'm wondering what's more efficient here. I hate the current state, and want my eyes to be perfect, as I feel their current state effects my Astral Sight as well, and I really want to move on to the next steps.

Earlier on I’ve had manifestions like a torrent come in extreme or negative ways even when all affirmations were correct, could this be due to not having done the working long enough to remove karmic energy but having enough power to make it happen?

Some workings might just be unwise. This was a lust working many years ago, in the teen years when that kind of thing isn’t well understood to begin with. It was an aura of attraction and it did take affect but I wasn’t aware of it until a year later. Then from there things became negative for about 5-7 years. The people I had attracted became quickly obsessed and the situation was out of hand. The frequency of it was too abnormal for it to just be a transit of some sort, but I’ve thought it to be possible. There are some factors in my chart that I didn’t notice at the time that could attract people like that. Whatever I did must’ve just exacerbated it if so. I’d still like to know what went wrong there but I can’t quite figure it out. Love and lust workings seems unwise in general.

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

Now about "Doubt" in a less philosophical aspect related to one's workings:

(Finally made time to read this properly and the timing of this topic is absolutely impeccable.)

I have been noticing how my affirmations (in our Warfare) seem to have 'grown' in power. I've been trying my best to reach the affirmation part and linking myself with the Quintessence/Akasha in order to "tell it to do" what the affirmations state and make the effect somehow enhanced.

At first I thought I wasn't going to see much difference (I haven't got a good grip on Quintessence yet) but over the last few days I have realized I can feel the affirmation making a dent in existence, so to speak. I can only compare this to changing the order of a bookshelf's tomes, reorganizing the sequence according to one's desire. It feels quite like that in my opinion.

Regrettably (like many things I've believed or assumed about magick) I haven't given proper attention and importance to affirmations and only now I realize how powerful they can be. No wonder "magick spell" refers to spelling magick (affirmating it) quite literally.

This post answers every question I had and it comes at the best time indeed. Thanks, Commander.

HAIL ZEUS FOREVER!

JeraOpus wrote:

I'm on Necronomicon Opening the soul and on Venus's day i'll being Heart chakra opening ritual. I've completed all the prior meditations mentioned in Necronomicon.

Hail Thoth
Hail Osiris
HAIL ZEUS

That is incorrect.

1. The heart chakra's name has been update to middle/4th chakra, as the real heart is in the head
2. The middle chakra is ruled by Mercury, not Venus. Venus rules the throat chakra. In the Necronomicon meditation, you should switch the mantra as Venus = Inanna and Mercury = Nebo/Ningizhidda

Sunday wrote:

SleepingWolf wrote:

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

Now about "Doubt" in a less philosophical aspect related to one's workings:

If you are 180 days in with no change, this means you need to increase your power, and take a step back and let the working do it's job. This is a very rare situation, it's an exaggeration to even bring this up. Factors of the present may prevent you from being able to see a major manifestation at this current point.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

This 180 days, does this also apply to healing? I'm now on my 3rd 80 day cycle to heal my eyesight, and the tinnitus afflicting my ears. I can notice changes in what my eyes can focus on, and letters that would be very out of focus from two feet out without eyewear, are now about as focused as they'd be when I was one foot away, before I started the working.

Does this mean it'd be better to finish my current 80 day working, then just come back when I have more power, or just continue doing 80 cycles til it's done? It's clearly working, and I know healing takes much time, but I'm wondering what's more efficient here. I hate the current state, and want my eyes to be perfect, as I feel their current state effects my Astral Sight as well, and I really want to move on to the next steps.

There a reason you quoted me, or just showing off?

Stormblood wrote:

JeraOpus wrote:

I'm on Necronomicon Opening the soul and on Venus's day i'll being Heart chakra opening ritual. I've completed all the prior meditations mentioned in Necronomicon.

Hail Thoth
Hail Osiris
HAIL ZEUS

That is incorrect.

1. The heart chakra's name has been update to middle/4th chakra, as the real heart is in the head
2. The middle chakra is ruled by Mercury, not Venus. Venus rules the throat chakra. In the Necronomicon meditation, you should switch the mantra as Venus = Inanna and Mercury = Nebo/Ningizhidda

1. I've read about it that real heart is in the middle of head on ToZ.
2. On Necronomicon middle Chakra(heart) is mentioned to be ruled by Venus, not Mercury.
Mercury rules Throat Chakra on the necronomicon meditations.

On book of necronomicon it's mentioned in sequence 6th Chakra -> Throat Chakra (Mercury) -> Middle(Heart) Chakra -> And So on.
Or the Middle Chakra will be meditated before Throat Chakra?

Can you please tell me how to make SUN stronger. I'm Also on SUN square, Started Yesterday.
My Body has become lose and i've lost balance ever since i've sent energies into IDA from either Pingala or Sushumana and it tries to come from the Right Side of my Body after doing RAUMs then gets stuck on the right side on head and my head starts to bend backwards (It was happening before but now i'm not even doing that many RAUMs before of Energy Reset Problem i'm facing)

I've also seen energy come up through IDA Nadi which is Right Nadi and Sacral chakra being stimulated at the same time.

Maybe I've to continue doing as Many RAUMs as possible. Also, Masturbation makes you a Weaker!

The other way i've thought about is buying Bidi which is alternative to Cig it excludes Cigg's filter and contains Tobaco. I'm thinking about Stimulating my Solar plexus with it and try to send the energy back into Sushumana nadi through the activation of pineal gland that way.
I'm not sure if I should proceed this way.

Also, can someone verify the authenticity of these Emerald tablets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y6-BlkLGNk

Hail Thoth
Hail Osiris
HAIL ZEUS

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

Now about "Doubt" in a less philosophical aspect related to one's workings:

In regards to doubt and your workings, and how it can be circumvented, some quick advice here to separate the working at hand with your logical mind and questioning it in a forceful manner.

When one reads about the sufficient proof of quantum mechanics and other metaphysics, the logical mind will understand also how it works. This is a level to build towards, and will not happen at once. It may take years. Experience is a factor one cannot overstate here. And this takes time, trial and error.

So until then one has to bypass this doubting mechanism by understanding some things are for the higher aspect for the mind and some of the lower, which includes magical workings. Until they have sufficient outcomes in their hands to understand this whole thing for what it is.

To find out if you have enough power for something, you will see it on the results and the obvious outcomes. It's that simple really. The timeline for this will range from short term to long term.

An example, you do a working for wealth. You are in 20 days in, and you are getting more income or you are starting to feel volition towards your goal. Can be very little signs, but they are there. Good job, it's working itself in. The mind opens up. You keep at it until completion.

Alternative scenario, you are 20 days in, and the financial situation may worsen for a while until it gets better. Bad feedback, it means you have to continue in order to deal with adverse circumstances or negative karmic energy. Shit is coming out and adverse energy is encountered.

In this case, examine if you have power for the working, are doing it correctly, and if your affirmation is correct. If all these are 100% correct, continue unimpeded and finish the circle. If not, you may want a different strategy.

You are 20 days in and nothing happens, this means you have to continue and raise more force in order to attain the objective at hand.

If you are 180 days in with no change, this means you need to increase your power, and take a step back and let the working do it's job. This is a very rare situation, it's an exaggeration to even bring this up. Factors of the present may prevent you from being able to see a major manifestation at this current point.

In cases like this, a working can suddenly manifest like a torrent in your life when able to, maybe months or years later. This can be due to many factors including your affirmation and the amount of force raised.

Lastly, there can be another case. A working works and for 20 days you are in a good upwards moving volition. Then for whatever reason shortly after you stop the 40 days, the working may reduce in effectiveness or die off.

This means that it needs further doing in the future until it's engraved. In rare cases such as healings, this can have a swing motion where problems experienced prior may return in double. At such situation one has to redo something until it fixes itself and remains strong on it's own.

A case of backfiring may emerge in a case where one does a working, for example, for wealth. They should do a 40 day circle, but by the time they see progress in the 25th day, they stop. That is not advisable and it should be avoided. You should continue on until the 40 day circle and close the circle appropriately.

Depending on how untrained one is, the energy forced onward can have a reaction hitting backward. Think of it like you're pushing something in a hole in furniture until you hear the "click". If you slam it without the click, the object will come out. Or bounce back out.

Finally there is a case where people do utterly stupid things. You can work all your existence trying to make the moon go the reverse motion and it will not. Your power level does not matter because it is simply not going to happen.

This is why any working necessitates to also look at the laws of nature and it's forces to understand them better to your own benefit. One wants for example to eat the sun for breakfast with a plastic spoon.

In this case one is delusional and no amount of "power" is an objective factor because the task itself is on the realm of "theoretically possible" but "not possible" by any realistic standard. It can only be imagined and is not 'attainable' by any standard of measurable power.

These "workings" are a waste of time and delusions and if one wants to do these things, this post will be of no use to you at all. But you might want to consider this to avoid losing your life over things like this.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

Hello,

can we use the magic square of Lucifer to vibrate the runes in the chakra(s) ?
Thanks.

Heill Odin !

Yes I have struggled with this myself until recently admittedly I cheated to get out of this cycle I used acid which combined with my already significant power took me on one hell of a warp drive trip to see the gods on their level all gold world made out of cubes very cool and they were like hello and im like hi lol then they helped me out a bit there and showed me all this stuff

Shortly afterwards I worked on my hands the way they showed me and when you can make heat mirages and light go between your hands super quickly you gain a lot more confidence

JeraOpus wrote:

1. I've read about it that real heart is in the middle of head on ToZ.
2. On Necronomicon middle Chakra(heart) is mentioned to be ruled by Venus, not Mercury.
Mercury rules Throat Chakra on the necronomicon meditations.

On book of necronomicon it's mentioned in sequence 6th Chakra -> Throat Chakra (Mercury) -> Middle(Heart) Chakra -> And So on.
Or the Middle Chakra will be meditated before Throat Chakra?

Those were posted prior to our current rectification of knowledge and it was not updated, like other sections of the website which will hopefully be updated this year.

The order remains the same ajna (Moon) -> vishuddha (Venus) -> anahata (Mercury) -> etc. This is based on the Orphic ladder, which ties on how the levels of the temple were built and into numerology.

My Body has become lose and i've lost balance ever since i've sent energies into IDA from either Pingala or Sushumana and it tries to come from the Right Side of my Body after doing RAUMs then gets stuck on the right side on head and my head starts to bend backwards (It was happening before but now i'm not even doing that many RAUMs before of Energy Reset Problem i'm facing)

Use balancing meditations, such as the twin serpent meditation. You could also use the alternate nostril breathing. Keep the number the same for both nostrils.

The other way i've thought about is buying Bidi which is alternative to Cig it excludes Cigg's filter and contains Tobaco.

Smoking destroys your lung health and, by consequence, your anahata chakra. It doesn't matter what are you smoking. The smoke enters the lungs and it dries them. The lungs are not supposed to be dry and that will bring you cancer and respiratory ailments over time.

Thank you, HPZM 666

Hp. Zevios Metathronos wrote:View source

Now about "Doubt" in a less philosophical aspect related to one's workings:

In regards to doubt and your workings, and how it can be circumvented, some quick advice here to separate the working at hand with your logical mind and questioning it in a forceful manner.

When one reads about the sufficient proof of quantum mechanics and other metaphysics, the logical mind will understand also how it works. This is a level to build towards, and will not happen at once. It may take years. Experience is a factor one cannot overstate here. And this takes time, trial and error.

So until then one has to bypass this doubting mechanism by understanding some things are for the higher aspect for the mind and some of the lower, which includes magical workings. Until they have sufficient outcomes in their hands to understand this whole thing for what it is.

To find out if you have enough power for something, you will see it on the results and the obvious outcomes. It's that simple really. The timeline for this will range from short term to long term.

An example, you do a working for wealth. You are in 20 days in, and you are getting more income or you are starting to feel volition towards your goal. Can be very little signs, but they are there. Good job, it's working itself in. The mind opens up. You keep at it until completion.

Alternative scenario, you are 20 days in, and the financial situation may worsen for a while until it gets better. Bad feedback, it means you have to continue in order to deal with adverse circumstances or negative karmic energy. Shit is coming out and adverse energy is encountered.

In this case, examine if you have power for the working, are doing it correctly, and if your affirmation is correct. If all these are 100% correct, continue unimpeded and finish the circle. If not, you may want a different strategy.

You are 20 days in and nothing happens, this means you have to continue and raise more force in order to attain the objective at hand.

If you are 180 days in with no change, this means you need to increase your power, and take a step back and let the working do it's job. This is a very rare situation, it's an exaggeration to even bring this up. Factors of the present may prevent you from being able to see a major manifestation at this current point.

In cases like this, a working can suddenly manifest like a torrent in your life when able to, maybe months or years later. This can be due to many factors including your affirmation and the amount of force raised.

Lastly, there can be another case. A working works and for 20 days you are in a good upwards moving volition. Then for whatever reason shortly after you stop the 40 days, the working may reduce in effectiveness or die off.

This means that it needs further doing in the future until it's engraved. In rare cases such as healings, this can have a swing motion where problems experienced prior may return in double. At such situation one has to redo something until it fixes itself and remains strong on it's own.

A case of backfiring may emerge in a case where one does a working, for example, for wealth. They should do a 40 day circle, but by the time they see progress in the 25th day, they stop. That is not advisable and it should be avoided. You should continue on until the 40 day circle and close the circle appropriately.

Depending on how untrained one is, the energy forced onward can have a reaction hitting backward. Think of it like you're pushing something in a hole in furniture until you hear the "click". If you slam it without the click, the object will come out. Or bounce back out.

Finally there is a case where people do utterly stupid things. You can work all your existence trying to make the moon go the reverse motion and it will not. Your power level does not matter because it is simply not going to happen.

This is why any working necessitates to also look at the laws of nature and it's forces to understand them better to your own benefit. One wants for example to eat the sun for breakfast with a plastic spoon.

In this case one is delusional and no amount of "power" is an objective factor because the task itself is on the realm of "theoretically possible" but "not possible" by any realistic standard. It can only be imagined and is not 'attainable' by any standard of measurable power.

These "workings" are a waste of time and delusions and if one wants to do these things, this post will be of no use to you at all. But you might want to consider this to avoid losing your life over things like this.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

I think if you do a working
And you forget and do it every once in a while it will work.