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Making clothes at home - For Meteor

tabby

#1
Meteor wrote:
tabby wrote:

This is a bit off-topic, but recently I've been interested in making my own clothes, as well as clothes for my partner. We're both unusually tall, so it can be a bit difficult to find nice clothes that also happen to fit well. If I learned how to make them myself, then I could make them to fit our measurements perfectly and also design them just the way I want, which seems nice. But I'm not really sure how to start learning or what kind of tools I might need. Since jrvan said you know a lot about sewing, I was wondering if maybe you have some tips? I'll try looking it up online too but I figured I might as well ask you too.

As promised, a thread for clothe making.

I’ll write as much as I can here without making this too long. It’s my belief that “we are what we wear”, and no body wants to walk around with ill fitting clothes that make them feel and look more like a slave than a healthy wonderful person.

The best projects to start with are the simplest ones. They will help you get use to how different fabrics behave, sewing methods and little tips and tricks, and also keep your motivation up since they’ll be finished in a shorter amount of time than something complex.

Most of my knowledge stems from older clothe making, so this will be based on that but the steps can easily apply to modern clothe making. It’s mostly the same, just the patterns, styles, and methods are a little different.

Standard materials:
- Drafting paper (for patterns)
- Grey lead pencils, eraser
- Rulers (some are specific for pattern drafting)
- Calculator (for pattern drafting and measurements)
- Muslin/calico
- Fabric/s of choice
- Needle and thread (there are different sized needles meant for different purposes. I’d recommend a needle that’s shorter in length so it’s easier to manoeuvre with if you’re hand sewing, and not too thick in diameter if your fabric is something like cotton, linen or silk. For wool you’ll probably want a different needle since it’s thicker).
- Fabric scissors
- Normal paper scissors (do not use fabric scissors to cut paper and vice versa. Fabric scissors need to stay sharp to properly cut the fabric)
- Seam ripper tool (or some small pointed fabric scissors)
- Tailors chalk
- Lots and lots of pins (the more the better) and pin cushion
- Tailors tape measure
- A pattern to work with

Anything else you need will be dependent on what clothes you’re making, and the methods you use.

So when it comes to making your own clothes there’s a few things to consider:

1) What kind of clothes you’re wanting to make (this one will determine a lot of the steps and fabrics you choose)

2) How much you’re willing to spend.

Fabric can be and is at times expensive. Fabric is sold by the yard, which can be tricky to determine the amount of fabric you need. If you’re not sure, buy more than what you think you need just in case. Any left over fabric can be used for other projects.

3) Materials and the fabrics you want your clothes to be made of.

4) Hand sewing vs machine sewing

Machine sewing will of course require buying a sewing machine if you don’t already have one.

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The typical steps go something like this:

1) Decide what you’re wanting to make. Shirt, skirt, pants, dress, coat, cloak/cape, underwear, hat, etc.

Let's use the example of a shirt here.

2) Decide on your end product fabrics.

If it’s an undershirt go with something breathable and will help keep your skin clean (like linen or cotton). With an over shirt you can get a little fancier with things like silk/satin and wool as long as there’s an undershirt worn with it since, especially fabrics like silk, are harder to wash. Any clothes you want to wear that makes direct contact with your skin should be easy to wash, durable, breathable, and light weight.

Some materials e.g. cotton, like to stretch and so you need to pre-wash the whole thing (however many yards of fabric you have) if it isn’t already.

In the modern age we are very use to having basic underwear, a shirt and jacket, and whatever you’re wearing for bottoms (pants, shorts, skirts, dress, etc). Back before most of the later 1900’s, people wore much better layers to their clothes. You had the undergarments which covered all the way from the shoulders to the legs. This was so that the outer garments would be kept cleaner through the lack of direct contact with the skin. The outer garments were usually made from much more expensive and/or delicate fabrics, so being able to wash them regularly wasn’t an option.

You’ve got people wearing polyester against their skin these days, which is just not breathable. So avoid those kind of fabrics for such clothes. Polyester does have a use for outer garments in the winter, but I would stay away from it for summer clothes.

(Kinda makes me a little mad on the inside that linen is never used anymore for basic clothing worn against the skin unless you want to pay between $50-100+ for it but *sighs* ... anyway).

3) Make a drawing of how you want the end product to look.

Make a design essentially of a figure wearing your chosen item of clothing. It can be a simple sketch or really detailed. This is just to help wrap your head around what you’re aiming for.

4) Find a pattern that you can work with and is to your liking for what you want your item of clothing to look like in the end.

There’s a lot out there, and each one should give instructions on how to properly draft the pattern. If you choose to work from a pattern book, I’d suggest reading through the whole book first because some are written in a way that has you start with a basic pattern and you work through the chapters to turn that basic pattern into say, a coat or something. So just take your time. Sometimes you can buy a pre-drafted pattern where you just adjust it to your size then do a mock up. The following is if you have to draft the pattern yourself from a set of pattern instructions.

Measure the parts of your body that you need for the pattern you’ve chosen with a tailors tape measure (it’s just one of those floppy tape measures) and record the measurements down. Start drafting your pattern.

Take however long to draft the pattern and relax with it. This is your foundation for the whole clothing item. It can be tedious and mind numbing trying to draft a pattern, but it’s worth spending the time on. Trust me. Badly drafted pattern = funky things happen.

(Butcher’s paper is good stuff for drafting a pattern on. Use rulers, a “french curve” to help draw any curves, and grey lead pencil. You can use a marker to label your pattern pieces (always label pattern pieces so you know what’s what)).

[Now, I’ve seen people make clothes for themselves by just wrapping their body or a part of their body in plastic wrap then masking tape, and using a sharpie to draw out a pattern of what they want to make. Then they just cut it off their body and - ta-da! - they have a pattern.

Apparently that can work too and it skips a lot of the mind numbing side of drafting. Never tried it myself but it’s a thing *shrugs*. I wouldn’t recommend it for something more complex than a shirt as this seems a bit more limiting as to what you can do with it.

Then from there they just go straight into making the clothes. It’s an interesting way of doing things, but it takes more knowledge about sewing because you don’t have instructions to work off.]

5) Make a “mock up”.

This is where you play around a little bit to test if your pattern works and fits you correctly. Cut out your pattern and use a very cheap plain coloured fabric for this part. If you’ve ever heard of muslin (or calico I think is another name for it), that’s the fabric you’ll want for this step. It’s basically throw away material used for testing patterns.

Iron the fabric flat, then lay your patterns pieces on the fabric and use pins to hold the pattern pieces in place on the fabric. Trace the pattern onto the fabric with tailors chalk or a pen that won’t bleed through the fabric and smudge. Remove pattern pieces and keep them somewhere safe.

Be mindful of the “grain” of the fabric, the direction the weave of the fabric goes. It’s hard to explain but when you try to cut fabric pieces on the bias it’ll cause it to stretch funny. Sometimes this is a good thing depending on what you’re making but this is where research about how different fabrics behave and what happens when pattern pieces are cut in certain ways comes into play. The more you know about the fabric itself the better you’ll be able to work with it. Learn how it drapes, how much stretch it has, the thickness or stiffness, etc.


6) Sew up your mock up pieces with a very basic stitch.

Doesn’t need to be tight and secure just something simple to hold it together so that you can easily pick the stitching apart later. If you have a dress manikin that’s soft (not made of plastic) and you can put pins into that’ll really help for things like dresses and stuff.

7) Test fit.

Try on your mock up to see how it fits you, use a full length mirror, move around, lift your arms above your head etc etc. If somethings tight or uncomfortable, then it’s back to the drawing board to make those adjustments.

Once you have a mock up that fits you and you’re happy with how it fits, pick apart the stitching (you can use an actual seam ripping tool, or some small fabric scissors with pointed tips). This is one of those steps where you just need to take your time, and not get frustrated (when things don’t turn out quite as planned) and settle for “it kinda fits”. Because if it only “kinda fits” here then it’s not going to magically fit any better when you use the real fabrics. Do as many mock ups as you need, make sure it fits and it's comfortable, then proceed.

8) Cut out and piece together the final garment, then try it on.

Lay out the fabrics you’re using for your end product and basically repeat step 3 but this time with the mock up patterns that fit you, and you want your stitching to be strong. Follow your pattern instructions to cut out and piece the different pieces of fabric together correctly with the right stitching method.

This is where hand sewing vs machine sewing comes in. Hand sewing will be more precise and you have better control over what’s going on with the needle, thread, and fabric. You can also better control how strong your stitching is and what method of stitching you use. Down side: it takes longer and is very tedious, and well... getting pricked by your own needle every now and then is not fun.

As for machine stitching, personally I hate machine stitching (but that’s just me) and I’m not too familiar with the pros and cons. It’s faster, like a LOT faster, than hand sewing. As long as you know how to set up one you’re good to go to sew your pattern pieces together. You have to be a bit more careful to make sure you sew where you want to sew, and keep your stitching straight. Last I remember sewing machines do have different types of stitching options but I’m not familiar with them. Take your time, don’t rush it.

I don’t know if you can do it with a machine but if you go with hand sewing you can use beeswax to wax your thread. This will make the thread stronger and protect it from wear and breakage, especially for everyday clothes like shirts. This is something they use to do way-back-when for undergarments.

Another thing about hand sewing, if you choose that option get yourself a thimble of the right size for one of your fingers to protect it when you push the needle through the fabric. It’s a life saver. Find a size that doesn’t just fall off your finger when you dangle your fingers downward, it should stay in place without hurting you.

A little trick I learned. You can determine a well made garment from a poorly made garment by just looking at the stitching alone. Where the seams are placed is also a good indicator.

The average Target shirt will have a wide arms eye (the area your arm slips through where the sleeve attaches to the body of the shirt), the shoulder seam won’t even be on the shoulder, and the stitching is your classic china machine stitching where if you break one section of the thread the whole thing unravels.

For a well fitting shirt, this will sound counterintuitive to what we are commonly use to but you want that arms eye to be sitting right underneath the arm pit. This will maximise the movement of the arm when wearing the shirt since there is less gaping fabric sitting between the sleeve and the body of the shirt. Make sure the shoulder seam sits right on the shoulder because again better movement of the arm and overall better look to the clothes when you wear it. The stitching should be strong and close together (even with using a machine). If you’re hand sewing I’d recommend a back stitch method for any garments that need to be washed regularly, and as you work don’t use a ridiculously long line of thread (about a wing span length - finger tip to finger tip - is what I can handle) and just tie off and re-string your needle when needed. This will ensure that if the thread breaks the whole thing doesn’t unravel.


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A huge part of making nice fitting clothes is in the pattern itself. Nowadays most people just work off a basic shape and don’t really understand how to make an item of clothing look flattering on a body. The way the different pieces of fabric is cut and sewn together will determine how it sits on the body without anything else being done to “shape it” so to speak.

If you compare dresses and coats from like 1800-1900’s and modern everyday Target wear from China, the shape of the clothes follows the shape of the body often fitting like a glove rather than being baggy. This is all to do with the pattern of the clothes and supporting undergarments.

Now, even without supporting undergarments you can still make a nice flattering shape for the clothes you make by having a good pattern to work with in the first place.

Some links from one of my favourite sewing channels and a couple others for sewing that helped me a lot with hand sewing and understanding patterns etc:

Hand sewing methods:
https://youtu.be/B5tC06IXOKcExternal ↗

Sewing seams:
https://youtu.be/39C_oYPgTpYExternal ↗

Modern walking skirt:
https://youtu.be/rnlzX2A4PGgExternal ↗

1895 wool walking skirt:
https://youtu.be/za40PYeJU6cExternal ↗

Basic mens shirt - “pirate style” - but shows how even a basic pattern can still look good. Sometimes things don’t need to be complicated. For a first project, I’d start with something like this:
https://youtu.be/Ql9r8UKIvZsExternal ↗

Inverness coat (can be made for both men and women). This video shows a good example of what I was talking about with patterns in the last couple paragraphs:
https://youtu.be/5lEWuWAh_3IExternal ↗

Tailoring tips for already made clothes that don’t quite fit:
https://youtu.be/wTdzaNJjX4MExternal ↗
https://youtu.be/yDPg2H0pTl4External ↗
https://youtu.be/8VKpPZ4BerkExternal ↗

A video for sewing motivation when things get a bit hard:
https://youtu.be/ekO9RmabdH0External ↗

Here’s where I saw that plastic wrap/masking tape technique thing. The girl also uses some of her own current clothes to get the shape she wants for the costume she’s making, which is another way to make a pattern without all the crazy math of pattern drafting:
https://youtu.be/0vP6IEdisbEExternal ↗
https://youtu.be/7il-XnJx2nEExternal ↗

These are methods I know but people do different things and that works for them. So play around and let yourself experiment to see what works best for you.

When I first started sewing I was just a kid wanting to make my own toys. Then my sewing knowledge grew through high school as I made larger projects in my fabrics class, and then learning more online from sources like the ones above.

The steps applied to making plushie toys are almost the same as making clothes just different end product. So another way to get familiar with patterns is making a simple plushie for yourself or someone you know who would like that, and then apply that to larger scale projects like clothes. It’s really fun imo, and a great way to get familiar with sewing techniques before hitting the larger projects.

Discussion

#41
jrvan wrote:
Przebiśnieg wrote:
Lunar Dance 666 wrote:

Thank you both (Tabby and jrvan) for your comments and sticking with me on this side. Jack has been posting stuff like this over the past 2+ years. I tried to find the motivation, or his reasons for saying the same 'dumb' stuff over and over.
It's no use. He won't listen to any mortal, no matter what. Thats how stuck he is in his views.

Also Przebiśnieg ; I understand, having had more or less the same issue for a very long time, it is hard to regain confidence. And even I have days where my confidence just plummets again. Then its just very important to do what you like. And make sure you enjoy yourself and treat yourself well.

If this even drags on more, his comments on this topic, ya bet I will report them. This has gone on long enough. If you feel like you've said enough, feel free to quit replying.
We'll build our own positive understanding, together with people, that actually want to do the right thing.

Not some kind of person who doesn't even know what it is to be a woman (let alone show any understanding of being a HUMAN), and then judges us over it just because we are something he's not (or whatever the reason may be).

You are right. After reading some of his stuff, I believe it just broke me, but now I see it's not really worth my nerves. I was observing this forum for a very long time, maybe two years. Still remember some things he was writing, so I know what you're saying. It's not the first time, when he is saying stuff like this and I think you made the right call to finally address this matter. I tried to understand him, I agree with some of his view, but sometimes he is babbling bullshit. When I posted first post on this topic, I was thinking about others Zevism women, who are here or would want to join here. Imagine now reading his post. Wouldn't you be discouraged to be here? Because I was. I don't know, if there is an option here to block him, but it would save me the nerves. I admire Tabby and jrvan for patience in talking with Jack, because I don't see even a point. I thought it was a good thing that someone finally tried to talk with him, but now I see it's pointless. He stick to his view no matter what, he seems to not be open to others perspective, not even trying to understand others feelings at all, so it seems pointless.
And by the way if you ever would feel bad about yourself or something (like you wrote how you also have these days of lack of confidence) feel free to write to me. I will try to make you feel better and support you, after all, we should be supportive to each other. I got a lot to do by building my own confidence, but when it comes to others people, I am being very protective. I just hope he didn't affect you like he affected me before.

I understand how you feel. The guy has said some really edgy and shocking things in the past. He says things sometimes which even shock me. This was one notable example that I remember:

Jack wrote:
question wrote:

Let's say that this girl progressively comes to realize that you two may not be the right match, but every time she tries to bring up the issue you just brush it away, because by then you have committed "fanatically" to her and so if she has such thoughts she is wrong and you have to get these wrong thoughts out of her. Do you see how that might put the two of you on a dangerous slope? Especially considering your comment that you would cause her intense suffering for life if she ever cheated on you, and presumably to the other man as well who may not even know about you. That fanaticism might end up destroying 3 lives.

The girl should understand how important commitment is to you, but you shouldn't let that trump everything else. It is important to remain open to what's going on around you, to how the other person feels, and not decide for them how they should feel, otherwise she might become your unwilling slave afraid to leave for fear of intense torture.

What you describe seems to stem from the fear of abandonment, and I think you would get more fruitful and lasting results by working on overcoming that fear, rather than by subjecting your future partner to its spell. Otherwise you might end up in the mindset that she is your property, that you can do whatever you please with her, including ignoring how she feels. Don't forget to care about her and to listen.

If you tell her how important loyalty is to you and she still cheats on you then she wasn't the right one, no need for the "cause intense suffering for life" part. But if you are in a healthy relationship this shouldn't happen. And if she tried to explain to you for a while how she feels but you wouldn't listen, then you are partly responsible too.

(first post here hello everyone, I made a thread but it hasn't been approved yet)

By committing to life, I mean marriage. And if she won't agree to the terms I state, I'll simply not marry her. I'll have our astrological compatibility checked ,and it's highly unlikely that a strong astrologically compatible couple will break apart based on whimsical feelings.

Most people are confused and uncertain about everything in life. And they listen to what i have to say because I give them purpose and hope. If I ever start contemplating of dedicating my life to one woman, I'll make sure to turn her into the ideological soldier she's meant to be. Once she becomes like me, she won't ever be very focused or driven by feelings but by her commitment to me and to our religion. I'm not just a counterpart, I'm a teacher and leader authority figure in the same way. The Sanskrit word for teacher is "Swami" and it can be alternatively used in many regional languages to mean "Husband." I won't marry or commit to anyone who is having strong unwavering opinions contrary to me because that's idiotic to do.

Most women or men in general do not have strong opinions about anything in life. So I don't think itll be a very hard job to find someone compatible without strong opinions and condition her into getting my opinions and hold on to them unconditionally. And one of those conditioning processes would be to Trump commitment to everything else.

This is a boomeresque thing where they put importance to their transient feelings instead of their behavior and ideology. They doomed this world by their whimsical feelings.

And if it's someone who is just in a relationship with me and I haven't committed to her, but she betrays me knowing about my conditions which is improbable , she will get what she deserves. Actions have consequences and punishment must be handed down. The guy will suffer as well as the girl. If she wanted to opt out ,she could just say so. But an implicit betrayal is an attack on me which I have to retaliate. And there's absolutely no way that anyone I've vetted and moulded into an ideological soldier of mine will ever betray me and so its just can't happen in a marriage type situation.

If all of this is sounding strange, then its because I don't feel the same love that you do and so your version of love doesn't exist for me. I feel love in the Dominance and Submission way and so I can only feel it in this way. I can't forgive or forget and I can't love unconditionally another person.

^ I don't know how any sane individual could read that as well as sensing the energy vibe, and not think it's psychopathic.

Anyway, he seems oblivious to me. I don't know how to penetrate that level of unawareness and self assurance that he's right. I don't think anyone can reach him. But now he has had a few women let it be known what they think of him, and that he makes people uncomfortable. If it were me, and many wise people from various walks of life were all reacting to me the same way and giving the same general feedback, then I wouldn't cling to the assumption that I'm right and every single one of them is wrong. I would consider the idea that maybe I'm wrong, and meditate on what is being told to me.

But I'm not Jack. I can't do Jack's thinking for him. If he believes that he is right then he's not going to change his mind, but he is going to have to simply accept that his actions cause people to dislike him. I think the biggest irony here would be if he feels the same way, that we are the fools who won't consider his side nor listen to what he is saying even though we proved otherwise. If he truly feels unheard then I'm going to laugh. It's not at all the case that people haven't considered his side and point of view. Especially since you kind of have to understand someone's argument as best as you can in order to make an effective counterargument.

Shadowcat, Tabby, and others have shown through their recounted experiences and wisdom of the world that numbers don't explain everything. There are many factors which are unaccounted for by the numbers and stats.

I forgot to add. Another crucial requirement is that she perpetually keep her hair short. Anything beyond Shoulder length is completely unacceptable.

#42
Lunar Dance 666 wrote:
tabby wrote:

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Hey tabby, I was wondering if you had any books or recommendations on drawing your own patterns. I did get a book as a present once and I tried to follow its instructions but the formula for one of the measurements were off, and I got stuck there. And I haven't done anything with it since.

Meteor wrote:
tabby wrote:

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I wanted to add here, that I bought a nice top for in the heat of summer (speaking 30 C humid weather) which turned out to be polyester. It felt a little scratchy and didn't feel nearly as breatheable as any cotton I'd wear. Even a tshirt of some kind of viscose elasthan blend or something feels like it's more breathable than that thing.

At first I was thinking I'll take the pattern off of it and donate it but I think I might just replace the poly part of it with some cotton fabric. It does have lace on top and straps. Not sure if the lace part is polyester though. I think I'd like to try and remove the color of the lace though. And make the shirt part a different color too.

Oh ye I saw someone on youtube going to the thrift store, buying second hand bedsheets and turning those into clothes. Also great for mock-ups. Why hadn't I thought of it, lol? Learned many things from just watching people sew on youtube. Makes me want to sew again :) (I haven't really sewn much so far though).

It's been a long time since I've been able to sew again, so I need to search around and start collecting up pattern books myself. For the past roughly two years, I've been nonstop researching to prepare my knowledge for tackling historical clothing.

I can recommend two books, and they're available online luckily. The only thing is these books are very old but they do work. For the Keystone one I'd recommend reading through the whole thing start to finish because the format is as I've explained in the OP how some pattern books can be.

Needle Work and Cutting Out by Agnes Walker:
https://archive.org/details/krl00366374/mode/2upExternal ↗

Recently one of the youtubers we both seem to watch also used this book for darning. (Darning for anyone who didn't know already is what you do when you get a whole in your clothes in order to fix it):
https://youtu.be/dWfkDfFryJsExternal ↗

The Keystone Jacket and Dress Cutter:
https://archive.org/details/keystonejacketdr00heck/mode/2upExternal ↗

You spoke about a pattern drafting book earlier in this thread. Is this the one you were referring to? I found a copy on Amazon for anyone who wants to check it out.

Turn of the Century Fashion Patterns and Tailoring Techniques by Zevism Gordon, with introduction - by Kristina Harris:
https://www.amazon.com/Century-Fashion-Patterns-Tailoring-Techniques/dp/0486412415External ↗

If anyone or yourself is also looking for pre-existing patterns that you don't have to draw up (just adjust to your size), I'd recommend ones from Simplicity sewing patterns. There's one I've been wanting to get from them for making cloaks/capes (because cloaks are just cool) and I know it works so I trust that brand to make good patterns. They have everything from new to old style stuff, and even costumes.

https://www.simplicity.com/simplicity-storefront-catalog/patterns/External ↗

I don't know if that last part is quoted wrong but yeah, polyester - no go for summer. Btw great idea about second hand bed sheets for mockups! I'll probably use that idea in practice myself haha.

If anyone has pattern books or magazines that they've worked with before and know works, please feel free to link them here.

#43

I decided to stay away from this site. I don't know for how long, or I'll just act alone. It might sound funny to you, but it stressed me a lot, as if I couldn't even sleep. ^^"
Stressing won't fix my health, so it'll be better this way. It's not anyone's fault, that I made this decision, I'm just sensitive like I said before, that's all. And IT could be my fault to cause trouble here, which I am sorry.
Jack, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. It was not my intention. I would feel bad if you did.

Thanks for chatting with me, you were kind to me and I aprecciate it. Good luck to everyone!

#44
jrvan wrote:

According to Jack, it's not okay to talk about him and he has to unleash his pent up bear fury upon anyone who dares. What kind of tyranny is that, Jack? Huh? Who is the one who can't cope with mean things being said about them on the internet? It looks like it's YOU.

Never say anything bad about Jack in side discussion, everyone. Apparently that's illegal according to our overlord with the bear fangs. Yeah, never say anything even if many people are feeling the same way about him and even if it's true. Even if he's being a dick. Just don't say it.

And to anyone who calls me a hypocrite for this after my past freak out with SouthernWhiteGentile, I want to say that I've grown since then, and also to point out that at least what these women are saying about Jack is more constructive and truthful than calling someone a cuck.

If I'm mischaracterizes in a public space I'll have to defend myself. I don't believe in turning the other cheek. If you say something that is false or a mischaracterization of what I've said I'll have to confront you.

#45
Przebiśnieg wrote:

I decided to stay away from this site. I don't know for how long, or I'll just act alone. It might sound funny to you, but it stressed me a lot, as if I couldn't even sleep. ^^"
Stressing won't fix my health, so it'll be better this way. It's not anyone's fault, that I made this decision, I'm just sensitive like I said before, that's all. And IT could be my fault to cause trouble here, which I am sorry.
Jack, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. It was not my intention. I would feel bad if you did.

Thanks for chatting with me, you were kind to me and I aprecciate it. Good luck to everyone!

You're not alone, conflicts often make me feel like the equivalent of a stressed out hognose snake.

And it's not your fault. Jack had already started to derail the topic before you spoke up about your feelings, which is a good thing that you did. He is being manipulative, rude, and a jerk out of his own choice, not because you somehow hurt him. All you've done is try to express how Jack has made you feel from his words, and he returned it with insults and dismissive remarks. Do not accept behaviour like that from others, and do not apologise to them for the hurt they have put on you. That will only have you accept the negative energy from them onto yourself, which is not something you deserve. You have done nothing wrong.

"Feeling Sorry?" by HPS Pythia:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=17765&p=66584&hilit=Feeling+sorry%3F#p66584Full site ↗

Feelings and emotions are meant to be expressed, not shut down out of worry or fear that we may hurt another or seem weak and crazy. Emotions and feelings do not make a person weak. (They can make someone very strong when they are in balance and healthily expressed, instead of being shoved down and turned to stone). If we went our whole lives trying to avoid that, we would only hurt ourselves and become isolated, and problems will get worse until something snaps.

As I've said before somewhere in this thread, if things are not expressed a person won't know or be aware of how they make others feel and they will continue to be stuck in their ways and behaviour towards other people. If that person continues to dismiss your emotions and hurt you, they need to be cut out from your life for the sake of your own health (for online things - block or mute buttons).

If you hadn't spoke up, would you have gotten the chance to find out that there are others who feel the same way as you do, and that this issue is not isolated? My motto for life is that "things happen for a reason" (regardless of who is causing that reason, and whether it's positive or negative). This is a good chance for you to gain some growth as a person.

Take a break, use the prayer mudra (I find it always helps to meditate with that mudra when I'm stressed or can't fall asleep), and come back with a fresh mind. You came here for a reason, and you don't have to act alone. Take this as an opportunity to gain more confidence and stability within yourself, and learn how to handle negative people in a healthy way, otherwise people will continue to walk on you throughout your life. I know what that's like, and all it leads to is an energetic cage that just draws more negative people to yourself. If you make yourself feel small on the inside, many people can pick up on that subconsciously and attack you in greater or subtler ways even if they are good people.

Remember one key thing, how strong do you want to be? Because only you can decide that and work for it. There are always going to be awful people, and stressful situations that make you want to run away and get it out of your life. So take this time now to learn and figure out how to better deal with stress and negativity without it being a detriment to your advancement.

#46

To get things back on topic...
If anyone is interested, here are some really cool books to check out that I've seen other historical style seamstresses use. You can buy them online as well (might need to search around different websites though).

1) Patterns of Fashion by Janet Arnold
2) The 17th Century Dress Patterns collection from the V&A
3) Draping for Fashion Design by Hilde Jaffe and Nurie Relis

Patterns of Fashion by Janet Arnold - comes in 5 volumes.
Volume 1 - Englishwomen’s dress and their construction, 1660 - 1860
Volume 2 - Englishwomen’s dress and their construction, 1860 - 1940
Volume 3 - The cut and construction of clothes for men and women, 1540 - 1620
Volume 4 - The cut and construction of linen shirts, smocks, neckwear, headwear and accessories for men and women, 1540 - 1660
Volume 5 - The content, cut, construction and context of bodies, stays, hoops and rumps, 1595 - 1795
Volume 6 - Coming soon

http://quitespecificmedia.com/External ↗ - has Volumes 1 - 4
https://shop.theschoolofhistoricaldress.org.uk/External ↗

The 17th Century Dress Patterns collection from the V&A - comes in 3 volumes.
Volume 1 - 17th Century Women’s Dress Patterns Book One
Volume 2 - 17th Century Women’s Dress Patterns Book Two
Volume 3 - 17th Century Men’s Dress Patterns

Volume 1-3 be found here: https://www.vam.ac.uk/shop/books.htmllExternal ↗

The pattern used in one of the videos I linked in the OP (modern walking skirt) came from this store:
https://trulyvictorian.info/index.php/shop/External ↗

#47
Przebiśnieg wrote:
tabby wrote:

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Exactly, I understand you! The joy on other people face, when you making something nice to them, priceless. For example, I like to bake for my brother and sister-in-law sometimes. They really enjoying this, so me as well. Recently, I sewed his favorite cartoon character for him for Christmas. His face was everything. But I like to doing this small things for him. He helped me a lot and is always protective towards me, the best brother I could imagine to have.
This is so cute, you maded this child happy. :)

I believe, like every sane women.

So practice and patience. I hope I can manage, I am used to using hand sewing. This would be something totally new for me, but I like to try new things. Besides it would be faster this way. I will search for some tutorials, thank you.
I think I will start with her with making stitch embroidery and then we could do some plushies. This is what she would like to do it anyway from what I had observe. After all she always comes to me, when I am sewing mascots.When she will come back from vacation, I will ask her to make sure. Thank you all of yours advice!
Haha yeah, I remember my first bunny that I sew. Now I think he looks hillarious and insane, but back then I was really proud of this. This motivated me to practice more and more. That's why I want to start with sewing clothes.

Nice, what sort of things do you like to bake? I love making apple and raisin turnovers. My mother use to make jam roly-poly's with us as kids, except we used pastry instead of the pudding/cake stuff and had it with vanilla ice cream.

Sounds like you have a wonderful relationship with your brother :)

haha that reminds me of a plushie I made for a school project (hand sewn), it was a little octopus with a top hat :lol: . I can't remember if you mentioned this already but how long have you been hand sewing for?

No worries, I wish you and your sister the best of luck!

#48
jrvan wrote:
Jack wrote:
jrvan wrote:

According to Jack, it's not okay to talk about him and he has to unleash his pent up bear fury upon anyone who dares. What kind of tyranny is that, Jack? Huh? Who is the one who can't cope with mean things being said about them on the internet? It looks like it's YOU.

Never say anything bad about Jack in side discussion, everyone. Apparently that's illegal according to our overlord with the bear fangs. Yeah, never say anything even if many people are feeling the same way about him and even if it's true. Even if he's being a dick. Just don't say it.

And to anyone who calls me a hypocrite for this after my past freak out with SouthernWhiteGentile, I want to say that I've grown since then, and also to point out that at least what these women are saying about Jack is more constructive and truthful than calling someone a cuck.

If I'm mischaracterizes in a public space I'll have to defend myself. I don't believe in turning the other cheek. If you say something that is false or a mischaracterization of what I've said I'll have to confront you.

Nobody is allowed to their own opinion of you then, even if justified. That's what you're saying? You're changing your story. First it's a personal attack, and now you say that people can't discuss about you with each other publicly. And you call her the victim...

First you say that feelings don't matter, and you don't give a shit what people think of you. Now you're making a big fuss over people discussing you. Which is it? Do you care what people think of you, or not? Because if it matters to you so much then you shouldn't be surprised about people thinking this way of you based on your callous behavior around the forums. What did you expect? Did you think people were going to have a favorable view of you when you regularly spit on them? And then fold your arms like "pfft feelings don't matter, feelings are for pussies."

This is too stupid. You're getting a taste of the fruits of your labor, and seeing for the first time what your brothers and sisters think of you and how they feel about you. You can't handle it. If you don't like it then make a change for the better because these people aren't going to change their minds about you with the way you are now. No one has done you injustice, and you're not the victim here. No one has defamed you, nor offered an untrue analysis of your character. Everything here is a product of your own doing, and what you are seeing is everyone's reaction.

Your lack of self awareness will be your undoing.

When I'm painted in a bad light I have to present my view of the issue so that everyone reading gets a balanced view.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't talk about me. Feel free to do so. But I'm going to present my side of the argument so that everyone is aware of the statistics and facts and can see how outliers are taken out of context.

When I presented the facts, everyone here started personally attacking me and moving into specific outliers and instances that don't disprove anything I've said.

It only makes me look terrific that the groupthink of being unable to think critically drives people's behavior like you all have done. And that I still haven't fallen unto pressure because of Shaming tactics and I never will.

AquariusActive Helper
#49
Shadowcat wrote:

steak merinated in red wine with green onions and herbs

Shadowcat wrote:

put that with baked potato

Wanna marry me? I'll promise I'll be the breadwinner :p

High Priest Zevios Metathronos
#50
Jack wrote:
jrvan wrote:
Jack wrote:

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I can't make anyone like or dislike me. If you do that's fine. I'll keep repeating the message I've always done to the overwhelming majority of the Right Wingers who agree with me and will inherit the world as they haven't taken the vaccine.

Bringing the generalized rules of random women you met somewhere and repeating them like a robot, as if they are "universal patterns" that also affect women here, is rather stupid. Basically just incompatible with the current environment here.

I doubt any woman of the caliber you speak and always pre-occupy your time over [because to have constructed such a perception of the world, you focus on the majority of them]. Also, stop reading the rants of Happa Anglin that had to go all the way to Thailand to find the weakest woman on earth to get some sex, because these are have seriously damaged your judgement.

You think most of the West is a hellhole of whores, because of some pictures you saw online. This is not the average median behavior, if anything, but in New York and in some other specific places. Original systems of women and many of them being sane still, is actually the fact, not the reverse. As about leftist loonies you have in mind, these are not a majority.

However, the more women are deterred from this stupid behavior that many "awake" males represent [rife with autism and virginity], women will be dissuaded from being in any place where correct thinking takes place. You following Happa Anglin methodology and Christian Conservatism "values" thinking these are attractive, you are only asking for a repetitive failure.

External symptoms of the same behavior, can have different motivations in people here. Not everyone is evoking mercy or trying to whine. If a person relies their problems here, is not your pity attention festival 99% of the time, but to get help and to improve.

You are not acting on a fundamnetal level differently at this point than any feminist who spends all her time trying to reason out that most men are weak phallocratic pigs, and provides data evidence for it. The common denominator here is complete lack of awareness of the individual cases, where one is, and how this relates to the whole. The bridge is always missing here.

This worthless idiocy of this repetitive pattern, you think is manly or masculine, but consistent whinning on the behavior of women, accompanied with incapacity to change this behavior how a man should, screams deficiency of the right wing, which constantly whines 24/7 about what is happening with "Women". They have no solution other than crying about it, but crying in big muslces and tears, and hoping for Jesus to return to make things "right" again.

The covering of this deficiency is the illusion that people who think like you are "Masters of Women" or the "Masters of the Feminine" or something, while most of them can hardly get any girl to do anything with them, revealing all the bullshit about "Attraction to Sexists" and all this nonsense, bullshit.

Women in their mind "Might" be thinking these things, but in reality, they follow other routes of action in contrast to these perceived attractions, and more things. The whole "Alt-right" and much of the general right suffers from this, and they don't want to accept this illness.

The same spirit of whimping is behind these patterns, and the same spirit of how most men on the right are quite autistic. This is also why many of the "Pencil neck leftists" that you think are inferior, do sometimes end up with some really beautiful women.

Some are breeding their wives like rabbits, and so on, while many on the "Alt Right" sit with their cock in their hands doing nothing, but saying theories about what women will find them attractive for just lifting weights or something. They also attract the utterly submissive type which is only one singular type of woman [if even this] and does not serve the whole palette of a balanced society. n

Regardless, limit the kvetching and toxicity of the landmass of average women, where it belongs. In fact that's not even the average woman out there. It's not really in here.

#51
Shadowcat wrote:
tabby wrote:
Przebiśnieg wrote:

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I love to bake! I picked up my moms recipies of holiday cookies, taffy, and brownies, fudge and other things...all fatassery but yea :lol:

I can also cook if i have a mind to, ive made steak merinated in red wine with green onions and herbs...made it up myself..tasted delicious :3. can put that with baked potato, or corn, salad ect. i can also make saurkraut with sausage from my great grandma and some lebanese dishes from my dads mom. the one with cabbage is awesome
yum

haha I’ve never heard someone use the word “fatassery” before :lol:

WHAT?! Dude! Oh man, you’re making me hungry. Ok proposal, one day after all this crazy shit - cook out, I’ll make the desserts and you make the main meal - what do ya say? ;)

jrvan mentioned getting together for Oktoberfest lol.

#52
Aquarius wrote:
Shadowcat wrote:

steak merinated in red wine with green onions and herbs

Shadowcat wrote:

put that with baked potato

Wanna marry me? I'll promise I'll be the breadwinner :p

Smooth haha

I guess there’s some truth to what they say, the quickest way to a man’s heart is through his stomach :lol:

NinRickActive Translator
#53
Jack wrote:
tabby wrote:
Przebiśnieg wrote:

Maybe it's off-topic, which I am sorry, but nobody makes me feel worse as a woman in this forum than him, I swear. I try to avoid him here, since he makes me feel bad and there is a lot of helpful information here too, but it is hard to do. I feel like he is really questioning my worth and my worth is something I have had a problem with for a very long time. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but his comments can be discouraged to be here. (It doesn't mean, that I will leave this forum just because he annoys me, but I am thinking about new womens wanting to join here.)

As for the post, excellent job. I have never tried to sew clothes (well, except for my old porcelain doll), only mascots for friends, my little sister and brother, but it would be nice to try something new. I don't have sewing machine, always using hand sewing. Maybe I should afford it, cause it would be faster this way. My sister wants to learn sewing too, so thanks for the tips. :)

Not everyone here is like him so don't let it get under your skin. Women have one very special power that men don't possess and will never be able to possess, and it's the ability to carry another life within themselves, a whole other soul, and birth it into this world. But that applies to gender specific. As a human, you choose what your value is as a person, and how you regard yourself. You decide your worth. Don't let anyone tell you or make you feel lesser just because of someone else's poor views and opinions.

Here's something jrvan found for me when I was struggling on a similar subject:

"On Women and Goddesses"
https://archive.is/GhGPzExternal ↗

And thank you, all the best!

The majority of men think this way ,they're just afraid to say it due to the fear of being labeled misogynistic.

I totally disagree and I already told you a couple days ago that this goes too far.

AquariusActive Helper
#54
tabby wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Shadowcat wrote:

steak merinated in red wine with green onions and herbs

Shadowcat wrote:

put that with baked potato

Wanna marry me? I'll promise I'll be the breadwinner :p

Smooth haha

I guess there’s some truth to what they say, the quickest way to a man’s heart is through his stomach :lol:

That also works for feral kittens :)

NinRickActive Translator
#55
Aquarius wrote:
tabby wrote:
Aquarius wrote:

Wanna marry me? I'll promise I'll be the breadwinner :p

Smooth haha

I guess there’s some truth to what they say, the quickest way to a man’s heart is through his stomach :lol:

That also works for feral kittens :)

*Said Aquarius while taming ShadowCat*

Da-dum-tss.

AquariusActive Helper
#57
DarkSwan wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
tabby wrote:

Smooth haha

I guess there’s some truth to what they say, the quickest way to a man’s heart is through his stomach :lol:

That also works for feral kittens :)

*Said Aquarius while taming ShadowCat*

Da-dum-tss.

:oops: :lol:

#58
Lunar Dance 666 wrote:
tabby wrote:
Lunar Dance 666 wrote:

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Thank you for breaking it down like that, the order the events have happened.

I was wondering about narcissism (in relation to Jack) before fyi ...

I am not looking for fights, and when I tried to talk to Shadow about it in the first place, I was careful in expressing myself. If he takes it as an issue, its his problem.

Anyway, I hope we can leave this all behind soon, and I also want to say, good job in trying to get this topic back to what its supposed to be about :)

No worries.

Well some humour at least is being brought into the fold of this thread, so that's good. Maybe things will get back on track now a bit better.

Thank you, I tried.

#59
Shadowcat wrote:
tabby wrote:
Shadowcat wrote:

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Ohh i see! I guess you learn something new everyday. i never knew about that with men and sewing in the past. Ofcouse, this is a very handy skill to have for anyone.

I grew up with similar family values, and my mother was always there for us as well. she and my father both taught us important things from a very early age which im grateful for. Dad however had a hard time being there emotionally but in other ways he was always there.

as for the rest of whats going on here i dont really have anything else to say, Other than that yes, it went off topic in a way it shouldn't have. It is what it is.

and I can see that Lunar has a feud with the guy - I don’t blame her. Many things that Jack has said just in the time I’ve been here have made me do double-takes and feel uncomfortable.

i am well aware that this counts for many people including some dudes here on the forum.

Fascinating, isn't it? Man, I'm getting inspired just to keep researching as much as possible about sewing. There's just so much we don't know about just one industry and skill. I love it.

My father wasn't great with emotions either. I've never seen him cry personally, except for the time when he ate a really really spicy dish but I think that was just because his eyes were sweating from the heat of the food :lol: .

After everything that's happened with this thread, I'm not surprised. I saw some guys trying to reason with him not that long ago on the same topic of women again, but clearly nothing's changed.

Shadowcat wrote:
tabby wrote:
Shadowcat wrote:

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haha I’ve never heard someone use the word “fatassery” before :lol:

WHAT?! Dude! Oh man, you’re making me hungry. Ok proposal, one day after all this crazy shit - cook out, I’ll make the desserts and you make the main meal - what do ya say? ;)

jrvan mentioned getting together for Oktoberfest lol.

Aww man yall are making me hungry now! lmao I would love that haha. Heres to the day the enemy is gone where we can all drink and celebrate to standing on their ashes! Sooonnnn. :twisted:

Be prepared though for itisfood! >:)

Cheers to a bright future and good food! haha
:lol:

Shadowcat wrote:

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ohh i see. must have read that one wrong :?

All good.

#60

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/07/10/why-progressive-women-want-to-date-men-who-act-conservative/amp/

“It’s a mismatch between what progressive women say they want and what they actually respond to,” Miller told me. “Women’s instinctive mate preferences have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years for guys who are competent, strong, good providers, good protectors and happy with a sexual division of labor,” he added. Women want “decisive men who are also compassionate and thoughtful.”

A 2018 study from Iowa State University backs this up, reporting that progressive women prefer men who demonstrate more traditional dating behaviors. The women found these men to be “more attractive” because they signal a willingness “to invest by being protective, committed, and by providing resources.”

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Kari’s next boyfriend was a conservative who works in finance. “Without fail, he would pick the place, set the time, and then ask if his plan worked for me,” she said. “It felt great to know he was taking care of it all.

“I appreciate a man who opens the door for me and picks up the check. This makes me feel safe, like I can count on him for other things,” Kari said, adding, “I’m grateful when a man steps up and acts like a man; it makes me feel more feminine.”

While Kari and her boyfriend broke up (for reasons outside of political views), she remains a feminist who will only date conservative men, although she draws the line at “far-right conspiracy theorists.” While she met her most recent ex on a plane, she’s now using dating apps to find her next love and said she’s more likely to swipe right on profiles of men who say they prefer more traditional dating behaviors. “It’s a good indicator that there’s a shared mindset,” Kari said.

Kari’s preference for conservative men comes as no surprise to professor Miller. “This is a time-tested set of behaviors, strategies and cultural norms that have lasted for centuries because they help find and keep good mates,” he said. “And everybody knows this. Women in their hearts know this. And men don’t take them at their word.”

People really need to stop throwing all of this valuable and truthful information away and calling it junk just because they hate the messenger. If it was HC or someone else of high respect saying this everyone would be in agreement about this. I understand he’s like a robot spitting information at you but throwing a hissy fit about it won’t change anything. It’s pretty obvious he’s not going to change. People like him and with his approach are needed in this as much is anyone else. If he annoys you so much disengage and ignore. Then he will be stuck talking to the wall. I know how it goes.