i hate my biological sex

Meteor wrote:

Master wrote:

Meteor wrote:

Thank you very much for sharing your perspective; it's as fascinating as I expected from you, and very insightful too. I've been wondering about this topic for a few years now and this is the first time I got a satisfying reply when asking someone about it.

There's one part of what you said that I don't understand:

Who exactly do you mean by "these people"? In what way is their sexuality the worst imaginable? Why should they do without sex?

Although I've heard low libido can be a common problem among people who identify as lesbians, I've also heard of surveys that showed that male homosexuals tend to be very sexually active (even when in a monogamous relationship) and have high satisfaction rates. Why would they want to get rid of sex? That doesn't make any sense to me when they get so much enjoyment out of it.

As such, I assume that you were referring to a different group of people, perhaps specifically homosexuals who want to have children, or perhaps people who treat LGBT more as a political movement to break down norms than one to fight against legitimately horrible discrimination such as what happens in christianity and islam. Could you clarify what you meant?

One of the worst things about these people's sexuality is anal sex. Even heterosexuals see anal sex as one more option to derive sexual pleasure from it. But not as an appropriate and/or ideal option.

This is because the anus has innervation that obviously serves other purposes and not vagina-like purposes. Also, its anatomy makes it look similar to the vagina but it is not similar at all.

Even oral sex should be done with awareness and the necessary precautions. Not to mention the anus is not made to receive the penis like the vagina but is made to expel and for other purposes than the vagina. Theoretically speaking, if we would like to specialize and genetically modify the anus for sex, it would become something similar to the vagina and would lose the purposes and functions it has.

Proper and ideal sex is vaginal sex plus oral sex with the right precautions. But some people are donkeys and don't want to know about it, all they need is a hole and if there is innervation, they are more than satisfied. Without worrying about the risks and damage they might cause.

Let's look at a medical article about it and analyze anal sex if it is safe and natural or not. Of course, you can do further personal research for more awareness and understanding.

I know right?! I tried asking about that topic back in December, but I think people misunderstood and thought I was against homosexuality which I'm not; which may be because I was replying to someone who used several slurs to describe the topic and I used the same slurs myself to go with the flow (perhaps that was not the best idea in hindsight). But it still remained on my mind.

When I looked it up I was surprised to find that only about 1/5 gay men are against anal sex, even though it's so unhygienic (not just for obvious reasons, but also because of the bacteria that remain even if it's cleaned) and can cause all sorts of damage for the person on the receiving end if you're not careful, even permanently. I thought things like oral sex, mutual masturbation and frotting seemed so much more natural in comparison for gay men, because they don't require such tremendous preparation and are much more hygienic to begin with. However, I also felt like it was none of my business and wondered if maybe I'm just being prudish. That's why it's reassuring to hear that someone else thinks similarly on the topic and that I'm not just being unreasonable.

Even as a woman, I think anal is just a pathetic excuse of a substitute for vaginal intercourse. I do understand why some (or apparently most) gays would do it regardless since they can't do the latter, but still; it just seems so far from ideal.

If lesbians can make do with just their fingers, tongue and toys, why can't gay men do the same? Apparently between 10-20% do and they're happy with that. But still I wondered if I'm looking at it wrong, since anal remains so popular among gay men. I tried asking before but I think some gay people got upset at how I worded it; but even so, I would be rather interested in hearing the opinion of male homosexual Zevism on this topic as well, so I can learn if they feel the same way and think that anal sex is only for degenerates regardless of whether or not they're homosexual, and if not, then why they disagree.

By these people, I meant all LGBT, as they all have the same goals and objectives. But don't take this personally because you are not forced or destined to be a person like these. Of course, it's up to you and you are free to do what you want with your life.

Thanks for understanding and take care.

Honestly, even back when I considered myself bisexual, I didn't get along with people who called themselves a part of the "LGBT community" at all. There's just so many weirdos there, and even when I asked them questions so I could try to understand, their logic was severely flawed as if they were just reiterating propaganda. I couldn't stand it at all because it seemed so empty and disingenuous, and I want to talk to people in a serious and honest manner and get to the root of things; but that doesn't really sit well with them.

I have some lesbian, gay and bisexual friends and I've been friends with transgender people before too, and even dated one many years ago (albeit only for 3 months because I didn't know how to make her happy), and tend to find gay guys more easily approachable compared to unfamiliar straight men. But for all of them, their sexuality is just a personal thing rather than something to do with a movement or community. I think that's why I was able to be friends with them instead of just arguing.

Anyway, thank you again for your explanation. What you told me last time about that ethical dilemma really helped me sort out some deeper questions as well, that were a bit different but still related to the topic and more relevant for me personally.
So, thank you very much!

You're welcome!

Master wrote:

Aquarius wrote:

Master wrote:

One of the worst things about these people's sexuality is anal sex.

So what this article is saying is that it's unsafe to have sex with people who have illnesses, and that if you have daily anal sex you should do kegels(which one should do anyways).
I'm not sure you know about the prostate and that men can stimulate it for orgasms that are x times higher than a regular penis orgasm.

I don't see the point of negatively talking about oral and anal sex? Maybe some leftovers of christianity in your mind?

It is not about christian limitation and lies but more study and understanding. Oral sex is quite safe but one must be careful of infections because it is possible to pass from mouth and throat to genitals and vice versa. Obviously, contact between vagina and penis also carries risks if there are diseases but anal sex is another thing entirely.

I'm aware of the prostate but it seems like you didn't read the article very well because it's not just about what you highlighted but there's a lot more to it.

For example, it's not just the cases where you have diseases to then be transmitted that are dangerous. But it is very dangerous if lacerations or perforations occur during anal penetration. This can happen because the anus does not have the characteristics of the vagina. The vagina can self-lubricate, dilate and its internal tissue is thicker than the anus. This is because the vagina is designed and specialized to accommodate the penis. The anus is specialized for other purposes and functions but not for sex.

The very fact that men have a prostate that can give orgasms, makes me wonder about your articles. The Gods wouldn't have put a prostate there if the anus wasn't made for sex.
It's just not made specifically for sex.

SouthernWhiteGentile wrote:

Master wrote:

LGBs are deluded.

L’s certainly are. G’s kind of. There is no reason you shouldn’t like women as well a strictly homosexual lifestyle is very unfulfilling knowing that you can never have children or a real long term relationship and connection because most homos aren’t into that.

Please read this medical article on anal sex and then tell me if it is a safe and healthy sexuality.

Not all gay sexuality has to be Anal there’s “sides” meaning people that don’t enjoy it either way. If men were hermaphrodites I’m certain Anal sex would become irrelevant immediately. It’s not like people woke up and decided that they wanted to stab or be stabbed in the aperture that feces come from it’s just literally the only thing available. I largely agree with the article I could never be on the receiving end it’s just too much for a number of reasons.

I personally am not interested in anal sex and in the future, I will have a girlfriend and if she is not well informed on the subject, I will try to inform her well to warn her against risky things like this.

But now I am not ready, first I want to ensure my independence. I thought about doing a profession without a degree but there are not many possibilities. Even in the police and army, degrees are required for higher positions and better pay and working conditions.

I think this is fundamental in someone's life. Then if I can, have to and want to, I will also engage in entrepreneurship and/or leadership.

Aquarius wrote:

Master wrote:

Aquarius wrote:

So what this article is saying is that it's unsafe to have sex with people who have illnesses, and that if you have daily anal sex you should do kegels(which one should do anyways).
I'm not sure you know about the prostate and that men can stimulate it for orgasms that are x times higher than a regular penis orgasm.

I don't see the point of negatively talking about oral and anal sex? Maybe some leftovers of christianity in your mind?

It is not about christian limitation and lies but more study and understanding. Oral sex is quite safe but one must be careful of infections because it is possible to pass from mouth and throat to genitals and vice versa. Obviously, contact between vagina and penis also carries risks if there are diseases but anal sex is another thing entirely.

I'm aware of the prostate but it seems like you didn't read the article very well because it's not just about what you highlighted but there's a lot more to it.

For example, it's not just the cases where you have diseases to then be transmitted that are dangerous. But it is very dangerous if lacerations or perforations occur during anal penetration. This can happen because the anus does not have the characteristics of the vagina. The vagina can self-lubricate, dilate and its internal tissue is thicker than the anus. This is because the vagina is designed and specialized to accommodate the penis. The anus is specialized for other purposes and functions but not for sex.

The very fact that men have a prostate that can give orgasms, makes me wonder about your articles. The Gods wouldn't have put a prostate there if the anus wasn't made for sex.
It's just not made specifically for sex.

Whatever you do in your private life, do it in a conscious and informed way and use common sense.

Meteor wrote:

Aquarius wrote:

Master wrote:

It is not about christian limitation and lies but more study and understanding. Oral sex is quite safe but one must be careful of infections because it is possible to pass from mouth and throat to genitals and vice versa. Obviously, contact between vagina and penis also carries risks if there are diseases but anal sex is another thing entirely.

I'm aware of the prostate but it seems like you didn't read the article very well because it's not just about what you highlighted but there's a lot more to it.

For example, it's not just the cases where you have diseases to then be transmitted that are dangerous. But it is very dangerous if lacerations or perforations occur during anal penetration. This can happen because the anus does not have the characteristics of the vagina. The vagina can self-lubricate, dilate and its internal tissue is thicker than the anus. This is because the vagina is designed and specialized to accommodate the penis. The anus is specialized for other purposes and functions but not for sex.

The very fact that men have a prostate that can give orgasms, makes me wonder about your articles. The Gods wouldn't have put a prostate there if the anus wasn't made for sex.
It's just not made specifically for sex.

I looked into the topic before out of curiosity and found that there are many much safer ways to stimulate a guy's prostate. It can be reached from the outside through the perineum and stimulated by applying pressure or massaging it, or from the inside using one's fingers (wearing disposable gloves or finger condoms for extra cleanliness) or a toy (there are sex toys specifically designed for it). Unlike penetrative anal intercourse which can be very risky, requires deep cleaning beforehand and can still be very unclean if an accident happens, these methods have next to no risk of causing injury, illness or accidents. If the other person's genitals are stimulated at the same time by other means, doesn't that achieve the same goal?

While I don't know nature's "intentions", to me those safer approaches that also require less preparation seem much more natural; especially stimulating it from the outside. That said I've heard that most guys aren't interested in prostate stimulation in the first place and prefer to just use their dick, but maybe it's different for gay and bisexual men?

If you think I'm looking at it wrong, please let me know! For me the perspectives of people with different views are extremely valuable for learning more about a topic and sating my curiosity. Especially if you have experience, I think it would be very insightful!

I personally heard of many heterosexuals who enjoy penetration with toys. Liking penetration doesn't necessarily make you homosexual. People are held back by anal stuff because "no homo".

Master wrote:

Aquarius wrote:

Master wrote:

It is not about christian limitation and lies but more study and understanding. Oral sex is quite safe but one must be careful of infections because it is possible to pass from mouth and throat to genitals and vice versa. Obviously, contact between vagina and penis also carries risks if there are diseases but anal sex is another thing entirely.

I'm aware of the prostate but it seems like you didn't read the article very well because it's not just about what you highlighted but there's a lot more to it.

For example, it's not just the cases where you have diseases to then be transmitted that are dangerous. But it is very dangerous if lacerations or perforations occur during anal penetration. This can happen because the anus does not have the characteristics of the vagina. The vagina can self-lubricate, dilate and its internal tissue is thicker than the anus. This is because the vagina is designed and specialized to accommodate the penis. The anus is specialized for other purposes and functions but not for sex.

The very fact that men have a prostate that can give orgasms, makes me wonder about your articles. The Gods wouldn't have put a prostate there if the anus wasn't made for sex.
It's just not made specifically for sex.

Whatever you do in your private life, do it in a conscious and informed way and use common sense.

This absolutely.

Meteor wrote:

Aquarius wrote:

Meteor wrote:

I looked into the topic before out of curiosity and found that there are many much safer ways to stimulate a guy's prostate. It can be reached from the outside through the perineum and stimulated by applying pressure or massaging it, or from the inside using one's fingers (wearing disposable gloves or finger condoms for extra cleanliness) or a toy (there are sex toys specifically designed for it). Unlike penetrative anal intercourse which can be very risky, requires deep cleaning beforehand and can still be very unclean if an accident happens, these methods have next to no risk of causing injury, illness or accidents. If the other person's genitals are stimulated at the same time by other means, doesn't that achieve the same goal?

While I don't know nature's "intentions", to me those safer approaches that also require less preparation seem much more natural; especially stimulating it from the outside. That said I've heard that most guys aren't interested in prostate stimulation in the first place and prefer to just use their dick, but maybe it's different for gay and bisexual men?

If you think I'm looking at it wrong, please let me know! For me the perspectives of people with different views are extremely valuable for learning more about a topic and sating my curiosity. Especially if you have experience, I think it would be very insightful!

I personally heard of many heterosexuals who enjoy penetration with toys. Liking penetration doesn't necessarily make you homosexual. People are held back by anal stuff because "no homo".

Is that so? I looked into it after my transgender ex broke up with me, because I wanted to learn from my shortcomings, but nobody I mentioned it to since then seemed to be into that. To be fair I've only had two male partners since then, so maybe the sample is just too small. I'll take your word for it that some straight guys are into it too, rather than just homosexual or bisexual guys.

As I told you, people are repressed, they think anus=homosexuality, so they don't even try to experiment.

Meteor wrote:

Even if people are afraid to experiment, that doesn't mean they would actually like it if they tried it; it might still feel weird for them or make them feel uncomfortable, which wouldn't be good. That said, I do understand your point.
Some people might like it if they gave it a try, but I think many guys would be uncomfortable with it not necessarily because it's "gay", but because it's emasculating. Many men take pride in their masculinity but aren't the most secure about it, so for them to feel pleasure from something other than their manhood / phallus might startle them, similarly to if you were to play with their nipples.

You are overthinking this way too much. Maybe for the guy that is insecure about themselves sexuality is based on wether something is masculine or not but for most people it’s based on what they will actually enjoy in practice.

There is that side of myself that enjoys the idea of being dominated but it is just an idea after all and I know that in reality I hate anything going near my anus because it is painful and completely inconvenient for most people. It has nothing to do with what you just said really because it IS emasculating to be effed in the A, but that’s not why I wouldn’t do it. And if you’re with a guy and happen to return to favor you’re equal and it’s not a masculine/emasculate power dynamic situation.

luis wrote:

Its not the first time Southern said something weird on homosexuals.

Really that’s a “weird” thing to say? Every time I go on some gay app it’s dozens of guys asking to see my penis or sending me a picture of theirs unsolicited. It’s always about hooking up and general degeneracy. It’s never “would you like to hang out/go on a date sometime?” It’s always “suck it” or “fuck me”. How about NO.

On top of that there’s always some weird meth heads or other insane people on there. You can indenTify them by the random Capital T in their name or bio like I just demonstrated. It just never ends. Last night their was a guy named “sub knot taker” that messaged me. If you don’t know “Knot” is code for a Dog’s penis. He said hi and I straight up asked him if he fucked dogs. He said no but was curious about it. I said WHY would you want to do that? Then he gave a non-answer. I can’t deal with this anymore. Then you think I’m the weird one for pointing out that homosexual spaces and life are filled with so many cretins and strange characters.

Stormblood wrote:

Master wrote:

luis wrote:

Something that I've learned, don't wait, we have the tools now to change what we don't like about ourselves. Spells can definitely attract the perfect (or 80/90 % perfect) partner. We are humans and we are not meant to stay alone.

For homosexuals. Know that my intentions in this discussion were good. I did not criticise and attack you for no reason. I did it for your own good.

If you don't have a good and safe sexuality and if you don't have the fundamental value of family, then what are your values? Friendship and that's it? Do you feel satisfied and fulfilled in your life with that? Is that all you want to achieve and do in life?

Being homosexual does not mean to lack the value of family. You're always going to have parents, grandparents and other relatives. You're going to have a spouse. You may also be lucky enough to have nephews, nieces, grandnephews and grandnieces. Friendship is also family in its proper definition. You may not have the same blood, but they are people you bleed for, both literally and metaphorically.

Also, there is an advantage of not having to focus your energies on raising children: those energy can be directed to other areas of life, such as career or community development, leaving a bigger mark on society than someone heterosexual at the same level as you would. World-changing discoveries and advancement, that is. Obviously, if someone wastes them on partying and drugs (including alcohol), they're never going to accomplish any of that. But that's not what real Zevism do anyway. We can party obviously, but we're not going to spend all of our leisure time on that.

I understand and you are right. I apologise if I have offended you.

Meteor wrote:

luis wrote:

Meteor wrote:

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Because gay people can't have kids. Maybe unnatural is not the right word but I still think that any gay that is not on a low spiritual level can fully understand its not in their nature to have kids. Its that simple, advancing spiritualy makes you understand a lot more about yourself and nature. There are people that desire to have three dicks or other weird things, people on a low spiritual level can have "unnatural" desires.

Preferring partners of the same sex, and wanting to have children, can both be a part of someone's natural self. I understand the importance of making choices and being realistic, but isn't it dishonest to repress one of those desires in favour of the other, such as pretending you don't want to have children simply because you can't, or trying to live an unfulfilling heterosexual lifestyle just to be able to have children?

It's different from wanting to have "three dicks" like the example you gave; it's true that it's a bit strange when the way it manifests is that a lesbian pretends she's getting someone pregnant with a strap-on or vice versa, but roleplay like that is only a manifestation of urges that are considered completely normal in straight people. You could even consider it a part of basic survival instincts seen in nature, wanting to protect their bloodline by expanding it. Since some people are naturally born with a contradictory nature like that, I think it's incorrect to call it unnatural. I see it as two different sides of the same person that happen to clash with each other.

If it's possible to erase someone's instinctive desire to have children, then by the same logic it's also possible to erase their preference for partners of the same sex; both are altering a person's very nature and sexual instincts. I think both options are just as unnatural. But surely such conflicting desires would torment someone, so I understand why people like that might want to change their nature, and try to repress one of them. But that only makes things worse for them in the long run, as they feel that their life is empty without children even when they have a loving partner, which can lead to depression; or they feel deeply unfulfilled and even violated in a heterosexual relationship despite their best efforts to enjoy it. The latter often leads to people cheating on their partner and eventually divorcing, which isn't good for anyone, especially not the children.

It's also the same conflict that leads people like the OP of this thread to feel like they want to be the opposite sex or hermaphroditic: because they start thinking that if they were simply the opposite sex, they would be able to have children with the person they love. Feelings like that are quick to rot and turn into self-hatred, and can lead people to rash decisions or self-harm if it goes too far.

I can understand if you say that the natural course of action for them is to accept that they have to make a choice, and accept that they will never be able to have children with someone they're compatible with, regardless of what they choose. But I think that's a bit tragic. I wish that there was a better solution for them, but even after pondering it for years, I couldn't think of anything that sounds right. Even when I tried asking other people, they just said people like that should adopt, or try to come to terms with the fact that there's nothing they can do, or that perhaps in the future there will be artificial ways for them to have children. But there are so many issues with adoption, and I'm too idealistic to tell people to give up on their dreams, and artificial methods are undeniably unnatural too.

I doubt even the Gods have an answer on this topic that would satisfy my morals or standards, let alone any mortals, even on here. I've given up on finding an answer, but I made this post because I wanted to say that it's not as simple as you make it out to be. For some people, their contradictory nature would only become more apparent the more they advance spiritually.

The Gods know the answer but they cannot explain to you something that you cannot understand.

The answer lies in our genetic heritage plus our desires and therefore, truth and our choices.

Meteor wrote:

Like I said being Gay is natural. The more I advance spiritualy the more I understand it, if i tried to repress myself I would only live an unhappy life. Why would I do that? I hope one day you will understand it too. I can totally see why someone who is not gay can't understand it.

Master wrote:

There are people doing anal sex for years and they are more than fine...

Stormblood wrote:

We humans are meant to be togheter and have sex, I understand not having time but you need to think about your happiness too. Its not totally impossible that a spell can attract to you a partner that is open to the idea of Zevism.

luis wrote:

There are people doing anal sex for years and they are more than fine...

If anal sex is as safe as you say it is, then it is good for both homosexuals and heterosexuals. Since ancient times heterosexuals have also tried to get pleasure from it.

Meteor wrote:

Master wrote:

Meteor wrote:

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The Gods know the answer but they cannot explain to you something that you cannot understand.

The answer lies in our genetic heritage plus our desires and therefore, truth and our choices.

I already know that there are answers, and I don't doubt at all that the Gods know. However, I can't help but wonder: are those answers good enough? Are those answers okay? But after I made that post, I realised: the answer is good enough for the one it's directed to. I realised that people will find answers that are right for them, even if don't understand the answers others found.

It's fine even if there is no answer for everyone that would satisfy me, because everyone will find the answers that are right for them. Perhaps that's the answer I was really looking for all this time? I feel relieved.

luis wrote:

Like I said being Gay is natural. The more I advance spiritualy the more I understand it, if i tried to repress myself I would only live an unhappy life. Why would I do that? I hope one day you will understand it too. I can totally see why someone who is not gay can't understand it.

I think I understand now. It's clear that you know what you want, and I'm happy for you. I was concerned about those who are more conflicted about what they want, but I realised I was thinking about it wrong. I know now that even they will realise in time what it really is that they want, whether that is the same as you or something else. That's up to them to discover, and I'm sure it'll only become clearer for them the more they advance spiritually, like it did for you. Thank you for helping me see that.

And you're right, being different from you did make it very difficult for me to understand it. I was trying to understand your point from my own perspective, without understanding in which ways you're different. But I see now that even if we're different, that's fine.

I hope I didn't come across as rude.

To achieve more accuracy you need more discoveries and more understanding, and this is achieved through spiritual and scientific development and advancement.

You don't have the understanding that people had in the middle ages and you don't have the understanding that people will have in more advanced future times. So, do what you have according to our eternal principles of truth and freedom.

Master wrote:

luis wrote:

There are people doing anal sex for years and they are more than fine...

If anal sex is as safe as you say it is, then it is good for both homosexuals and heterosexuals. Since ancient times heterosexuals have also tried to get pleasure from it.

What's not safe is putting plastic and rubber objects in your back door. Non-organic things are not meant to go in there, as it's a particularly sensitive area. Synthetic stuff like that, especially plastic-based, should be outlawed (and not just as toys lol)