How does one reach Tier 5 in the HoO?

Flamma Bellum wrote:View source

Because to get these memories considerable amount of advancement needed. If someone is not there yet and there is karmic obstacles which keeps them to reaching this level which has in it seeing their own past lifes, they can get there by climbing Tiers.

True dedicated initiates who learn about their past lives when they are ready to handle it and to step in there have did phenomenal distance in their overall advancement.

And still if someone is needed to know by the road Gods reveals these what is most needed for you to release or to realize why something happening in your life.

But Brother, it is most important what you are now and that you are advancing and actually transforming, this is something with what you should be busy mostly. Which has many things on it to be done daily and with strong involvement. And Did you saw ToZ YouTube video on past lives?

I once watched a hystory movie and then suddenly, before my eyes I allready knew what would happen in the movie, or most off it, back at the time it was like it triggered something deep from a past live, is this possibel?

Flamma Bellum wrote:View source

Because to get these memories considerable amount of advancement needed. If someone is not there yet and there is karmic obstacles which keeps them to reaching this level which has in it seeing their own past lifes, they can get there by climbing Tiers.

True dedicated initiates who learn about their past lives when they are ready to handle it and to step in there have did phenomenal distance in their overall advancement.

And still if someone is needed to know by the road Gods reveals these what is most needed for you to release or to realize why something happening in your life.

But Brother, it is most important what you are now and that you are advancing and actually transforming, this is something with what you should be busy mostly. Which has many things on it to be done daily and with strong involvement. And Did you saw ToZ YouTube video on past lives?

I did read back then the sermon of HPZM about it, can´t find it right now.

Fuchs wrote:View source

I once watched a hystory movie and then suddenly, before my eyes I allready knew what would happen in the movie, or most off it, back at the time it was like it triggered something deep from a past live, is this possibel?

It’s possible. Two thoughts come to mind when I read this: 1. you watched the movie while you were very young, then forgot that you did but watching it again made you remember, and 2, that it is indeed a past life memory triggered.

The Jackal wrote:View source

Us that were donating before HoO existed, received a pdf about tiers before ToZ Donor platform (That was its name before HoO) was first launched. In it, the tier system was explained, including tier 5. For tier 5 you must do big contributions since you can't get in there based on donations alone. And since it said that tier 5 included "personal mentoring" and information that will never be released publicly, my guess is that its tier that you only get by being a priest.

No, you do not need to be priesthood specifically; but one has to have done major things like them. The reason of this type of training and capacity, is multidimensional and must be supported by great works. That's because past a level one exists for the whole also, which is something that must be supported by going up. Of course for one's self also, but for others too.

You need to get every ritual in Tiers 1 to 4 first.

And then you must make huge contributions to the Temple in non monetary ways.

Desdemona_666 wrote:View source

It’s possible. Two thoughts come to mind when I read this: 1. you watched the movie while you were very young, then forgot that you did but watching it again made you remember, and 2, that it is indeed a past life memory triggered.

I was like 14 and it was a new movie shown, first time in tv.

Fuchs wrote:View source

I was like 14 and it was a new movie shown, first time in tv.

Ok, so, if it was a new movie, how could it be a past memory?

Do you maybe mean, since you said it was a history movie/documentary that you already knew how the events unfolded in advance? For example, you watch a documentary about Caesar and very early you somehow already know he's gonna get assassinated?

Desdemona_666 wrote:View source

Ok, so, if it was a new movie, how could it be a past memory?

Do you maybe mean, since you said it was a history movie/documentary that you already knew how the events unfolded in advance? For example, you watch a documentary about Caesar and very early you somehow already know he's gonna get assassinated?

I watched Titanic, it was like before my inner eyes a strange sensation, I knew what would happen etc.

Fuchs wrote:View source

I watched Titanic, it was like before my inner eyes a strange sensation, I knew what would happen etc.

And you never before knew anything, literally anything about the Titanic?

If so, it's possible it's a past life memory.

Desdemona_666 wrote:View source

And you never before knew anything, literally anything about the Titanic?

If so, it's possible it's a past life memory.

You should not give in to such bullshit, You've been here enough dear sister

For Tier 5 you need to be a Theophoros. Literally become your Guardian God/Goddess in the flesh. Not by delusion but by internal condition and external contribution. I doubt it's meant for more than 0.001% of people at a time.

For those who think the ToZ profits or monopolize spirituality just because the Hall of Osiris exists, no, we don't monopolize spirituality by putting price tags to it. We have an entire section of hundreds of meditations and magickal operations in both "meditation" and "magick and witchcraft" sections, that are FREE, plus we have tons of magical operations aimed at earning money that are FREE. The free meditations are like the 95% of total meditations, but hey, let's focus on the 5% and let's blame the ToZ for being greedy.

The free meditations are the basics, and are needed to develop spiritual power that can be used to perform money workings, plus having spiritual power and a developed soul is necessary to execute the rituals from higher tiers.

Maybe in the world, the rich can buy anything, but in Zevism, one needs to sustain the Temple, but also advance spiritually. Our religion is based on spiritual aristocracy. One does not buy the Godhead.

I would also say that the Hall of Osiris challenges us to become better financially, as we try to rise higher in its tiers. All we need to do is ask ourselves what are we willing to do for ourselves and the Gods.

Personally, I find the stories of people who’ve achieved the impossible much more interesting than those of people who’ve had everything handed to them on a silver platter, just because they exist. We remember Alexander the Great for his great deeds, but we don't remember the beggar, for a reason.

Draconis wrote:View source

For those who think the ToZ profits or monopolize spirituality just because the Hall of Osiris exists, no, we don't monopolize spirituality by putting price tags to it. We have an entire section of hundreds of meditations and magickal operations in both "meditation" and "magick and witchcraft" sections, that are FREE, plus we have tons of magical operations aimed at earning money that are FREE. The free meditations are like the 95% of total meditations, but hey, let's focus on the 5% and let's blame the ToZ for being greedy.

The free meditations are the basics, and are needed to develop spiritual power that can be used to perform money workings, plus having spiritual power and a developed soul is necessary to execute the rituals from higher tiers.

Maybe in the world, the rich can buy anything, but in Zevism, one needs to sustain the Temple, but also advance spiritually. Our religion is based on spiritual aristocracy. One does not buy the Godhead.

I would also say that the Hall of Osiris challenges us to become better financially, as we try to rise higher in its tiers. All we need to do is ask ourselves what are we willing to do for ourselves and the Gods.

Personally, I find the stories of people who’ve achieved the impossible much more interesting than those of people who’ve had everything handed to them on a silver platter, just because they exist. We remember Alexander the Great for his great deeds, but we don't remember the beggar, for a reason.

Monopolization of the Divine is exactly the opposite of what ToZ does. ToZ doesn't say people are incapable of this; everything is there because people are actually, in one way or another, able for this.

ToZ opens the gates to all people and gives them most integral things and everything pretty much. For everyone who is willing to apply. In the subsequent update for example; even more things for people. Open, right there.

This doesn't mean however the Academy can make a student read, enforce learning, or it can take away your free will. Part of your free will is if you will apply all the wealth you are given on the ToZ by default and another part is if you want to go Inner Sanctum mode and understand the deeper purposes of this place and the common goal of the Gods on earth.

Certain accelerations or things of high sanctity that wouldn't be useful to someone not even on these levels who is just touring around (not their time yet). What is for their time, is there. What is for later, trust me on this, the Gods will find you ways; either through progress, or growth incentives, or valiant and important personal actions, or life progression, to get there.

These levels are tapped into when one truly builds for the Gods and becomes closer and closer to them via ordainment on their material tasks and purposes], are nothing that keeps anyone from moving forward.

The cases of beings who must do certain bigger tasks (I believe everyone can do; and as you say, this is literally a path and it's clearly arrayed in front of someone, not inaccessible, but maybe not convenient). Not accessible vs not convenient, is the difference between monopolization and access to all based on merit.

ToZ is access to all and merit based elevation.

For anything to exist; ToZ must exist. Mutually the person who just passes by, the tourist, the rising warrior, the person who started putting things together, and the person who is a few steps before major evolution, all exist under the same roof. Upholding the roof reassures we all have a roof. It's as simple as that really in regard to these.

Others enter a hospital for removing a couple stiches and others for extended healing; regardless of where we are, the central hub of health must exist and msut be preserved.

Stormblood wrote:View source

For Tier 5 you need to be a Theophoros. Literally become your Guardian God/Goddess in the flesh. Not by delusion but by internal condition and external contribution. I doubt it's meant for more than 0.001% of people at a time.

I would believe that everyone can do it if they devote themselves honestly for a lifetime into this. It's also very early; some people have anywhere from 20, to 30 to even 40 years ahead of them. Others might be able sooner, others later.

Regardless, those who have situations that cannot be amended, the Gods are there and accessible for them; the Gods when one aligns are in the steering wheel alongside all people to help them evolve level by level. If one cannot do certain things, they might be able in the future; but one must start now to actually do these not wait indefinitely.

I think people need to stop limiting their minds so severely and saying they can never do X or Y. Unless one tries and sets these ultra longterm goals, you never know. With the whole arsenal of ToZ, most people will succeed. Those who might not have luck, can achieve via creation for the Gods in other ways in this place.

I do not understand why others do not see this as the higher rituals/tiers be something to aspire to. Acquiring something great is not going to happen with a push of a button. Theres literally a ritual to extend your life, people pay thousands to tens of thousands of dollars every year for better health.

The other thing I do not understand is, why aren’t you asking the gods to lead you to a better financial situation/job? I used to have to steal food and didn’t have heat in the winter. Did I cry and was upset? Of course what a terrible way to live. But I moved on from this and worked to be in a better situation because I asked for guidance. We are the gods chosen disciples they are here for us you just need to listen to what they are telling you.

High Priest Zevios Metathronos wrote:View source

I would believe that everyone can do it if they devote themselves honestly for a lifetime into this. It's also very early; some people have anywhere from 20, to 30 to even 40 years ahead of them. Others might be able sooner, others later.

Regardless, those who have situations that cannot be amended, the Gods are there and accessible for them; the Gods when one aligns are in the steering wheel alongside all people to help them evolve level by level. If one cannot do certain things, they might be able in the future; but one must start now to actually do these not wait indefinitely.

I think people need to stop limiting their minds so severely and saying they can never do X or Y. Unless one tries and sets these ultra longterm goals, you never know. With the whole arsenal of ToZ, most people will succeed. Those who might not have luck, can achieve via creation for the Gods in other ways in this place.

Absolutely! I just meant it more like that 0.001% are meant for it because 0.001% put the necessary effort, not because it's limited or unachievable per se. I should've elaborated more. My idea was it's people limiting themselves, rather than there being an actual limit imposed by you or the Gods/reality.

Thanks for clarifying

Stormblood wrote:View source

For Tier 5 you need to be a Theophoros. Literally become your Guardian God/Goddess in the flesh. Not by delusion but by internal condition and external contribution. I doubt it's meant for more than 0.001% of people at a time.

Is it become like your guardian or become your guardian?

I usually find sources saying your guardian demon is the divine blue print of who you can develop to become in a life time,like your highest possible self,
Then you get some that distinct your higher self and your demon and it's your higher self you're supposed to merge with fully,and the guardian demon is there temporarily until you reach a level a God can effectively take over for your development,,