Deadly Coffee/Caffeine: Facts It Figures

Centralforce666 wrote:

There are some fairly extreme views being presented here and many of them are either exaggerated or plainly not true, whether due to ignorance or misconception.

I am going to set some of them straight because many people lack the understanding of some finer points which leads to all kinds of ridiculous assumptions.

The first misconception is that because a plant has a chemical in it which is poisonous or a defense mechanism towards something else that it is automatically poisonous to humans.

Some of the most powerful vitamins in the body are poison in a sense where too much can cause severe organ failure and even death. Vitamin E is an example. Selenium is another. Vitamin A also joins that list. All very powerful anti-oxidant vitamins which protect the human body and both very poisonous.

In actual fact, nearly every substance in existence is and can be poisonous to the human organism in large enough quantities with very few exceptions. Dose is important and not all things cause death but even an overdose of water can cause kidney failure (or drowning if one considers that to be a huge overdose of water).

Nitrous Oxide is produced by the cells as a paracrine (local) hormone which causes vasodilation however taken systemically into the blood stream this causes nervous system disruption on a massive scale including blacking out and the blocking of pain signals.

Many fruits, vegetables and other plant based matters also block the absorption of nutrients, in fact any vegetable that includes tannins (including spinach, also high in iron) will block the iron absorption in the gut of any iron taken simultaneously. The timing of foods containing tannins and iron containing foods is important to reduce the risk of malabsorption of vital iron into the blood (also, iron is terribly toxic in high quantities but also essential to human life).

Coffee, like most of the hot drink herbs contains caffeine.

Other caffeinated foods include:

- cocoa (v. small amounts, almost undetectable but present),
- Black tea,
- Green tea (definitely has caffeine in it, Matcha (refined green tea) has more caffeine than coffee).

The darker of the three, coffee, cocoa and black tea also contain significant numbers of polyphenols which serve as potent antioxidants in the body.

All four of the above (except cocoa) are potent diuretics and activate kidney function in removing water from the body by stimulating atrial natriuretic peptide from their vasoconstrictive actions (the right atrium of the heart releases this hormone into the blood in response to stretching of the atrial wall in the heart in response to increased blood pressure, a result of systemic vasoconstriction).

Coffee is also a bitter which makes it the most potent of the diuretics and also gives a benefit to the stomach by clearing out old matter by stimulating stomach emptying (gastric emptying).

Therefore, coffee and the other listed items above are herbs which have a specific use..

In many cultures, coffee is the first beverage of the day in order to prepare the stomach for food.

Following this, there is usually some period of time which elapses before eating and then food is taken into the clean stomach.

Coffee also promotes defecation which assists one to move the bowels in the morning.

The above items are all things which occur as part of parasympathetic stimulation, the opposite of fight flight which shuts the stomach and digestive organs down.

A too high dose of coffee will of course, play havoc with the body, as does too high a dose of any substance.

The increased blood pressure and caffeine thereof can lead to jitters, nervousness and heart palpitations.

This is not ideal and having coffee to the point where you experience the above is a poor choice, which exceeds the dose of an otherwise useful remedy as described above.

So in reality, the true problem is a lack of self control and understanding, blamed on a plant whose consumption dates back many centuries.

The "deadly" lays purely in an individual's inability to understand and say no to something harmful or harmful amounts of something good, just as a wayward teenager who does not understand the consequences of speeding fast in their car is likely to crash horribly as a result of their own poor choices.

Is the car therefore inherently evil and bad?

I think not.

Thanks a lot brotha.

This "Loki" is the type of guy to ask for evidence about anything (from his opponents) but present his case always in random terms.

It's just his...pattern.

Lunar Dance 666 wrote:

loki88 wrote:

Lunar Dance 666 wrote:

First off, green tea does not have caffeine in it.

Secondly, 5 gram of dried green tea for one single cup is way too much. I believe the doses that I have heard is of about 2 teaspoons dried herb per cup (about 150 ml). Which is, what I think, not even 2 gram. Most prepackaged teabags are probably at about 2 gram per bag.

I am not sure if it was on the old forums (it probably was) but one post mentioned the amount of fluoride in tea being very high.
Green tea, is just as white tea, oolong tea, the same as black tea. The difference is, the time when its plucked and the oxidizing process (which makes black tea). All those forms of tea are coming from the same plant.

"green tea does not have caffeine in it. " I can't see that being true. What would account for the above symptoms which are the same as my imbibing other caffeine sources? Could you adduce proof that g-tea has no caffeine? I doubt it.

So you're just going to draw a conclusion by 'muh experience' and you're asking me for proof?

Shouldn't you be the one to pull up a link to some scientific study of some sorts of the compounds of camellia sinensis that proves me wrong?

I realized that when I was looking up something.

Unless this guy can actually make a decent argument I am not going to waste any more time on him.

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

This "Loki" is the type of guy to ask for evidence about anything (from his opponents) but present his case always in random terms.

It's just his...pattern.

Lunar Dance 666 wrote:

loki88 wrote:

"green tea does not have caffeine in it. " I can't see that being true. What would account for the above symptoms which are the same as my imbibing other caffeine sources? Could you adduce proof that g-tea has no caffeine? I doubt it.

So you're just going to draw a conclusion by 'muh experience' and you're asking me for proof?

Shouldn't you be the one to pull up a link to some scientific study of some sorts of the compounds of camellia sinensis that proves me wrong?

loki88 wrote:

So you're just going to draw a conclusion by 'muh experience' and you're asking me for proof?

Shouldn't you be the one to pull up a link to some scientific study of some sorts of the compounds of camellia sinensis that proves me wrong?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12603-013-0404-1

https://www.garfieldmedicalcenter.com/GMC-Blog/2016/October/Different-Types-of-Tea-and-Caffeine-Content.aspx

etc.

Centralforce666 wrote:

Excellent, thank you!

Centralforce666 wrote:

loki88 wrote:

So you're just going to draw a conclusion by 'muh experience' and you're asking me for proof?

Shouldn't you be the one to pull up a link to some scientific study of some sorts of the compounds of camellia sinensis that proves me wrong?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12603-013-0404-1

https://www.garfieldmedicalcenter.com/GMC-Blog/2016/October/Different-Types-of-Tea-and-Caffeine-Content.aspx

etc.

I think you meant to quote Lunar Dance here.

@Lunar Dance just pinging you so you get notified :)

Lunar Dance 666 wrote:

...

Centralforce666 wrote:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12603-013-0404-1

https://www.garfieldmedicalcenter.com/GMC-Blog/2016/October/Different-Types-of-Tea-and-Caffeine-Content.aspx

etc.

Thanks for the message Centralforce but I already found something interesting. But I am not going to post it just for people that keep asking others to do their research for them.

This is the link that I found by the way...
https://bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2164-12-131

Shael wrote:

I think you meant to quote Lunar Dance here.

@Lunar Dance just pinging you so you get notified :)

Thank you, Shael

Centralforce666 wrote:

loki88 wrote:

So you're just going to draw a conclusion by 'muh experience' and you're asking me for proof?

Shouldn't you be the one to pull up a link to some scientific study of some sorts of the compounds of camellia sinensis that proves me wrong?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12603-013-0404-1

https://www.garfieldmedicalcenter.com/GMC-Blog/2016/October/Different-Types-of-Tea-and-Caffeine-Content.aspx

etc.

interesting. What would account for my symptoms though...? They are the same as caffeine as far as I can tell

Centralforce666 wrote:

There are some fairly extreme views being presented here and many of them are either exaggerated or plainly not true, whether due to ignorance or misconception.

I am going to set some of them straight because many people lack the understanding of some finer points which leads to all kinds of ridiculous assumptions.

The first misconception is that because a plant has a chemical in it which is poisonous or a defense mechanism towards something else that it is automatically poisonous to humans.

Some of the most powerful vitamins in the body are poison in a sense where too much can cause severe organ failure and even death. Vitamin E is an example. Selenium is another. Vitamin A also joins that list. All very powerful anti-oxidant vitamins which protect the human body and both very poisonous.

In actual fact, nearly every substance in existence is and can be poisonous to the human organism in large enough quantities with very few exceptions. Dose is important and not all things cause death but even an overdose of water can cause kidney failure (or drowning if one considers that to be a huge overdose of water).

Nitrous Oxide is produced by the cells as a paracrine (local) hormone which causes vasodilation however taken systemically into the blood stream this causes nervous system disruption on a massive scale including blacking out and the blocking of pain signals.

Many fruits, vegetables and other plant based matters also block the absorption of nutrients, in fact any vegetable that includes tannins (including spinach, also high in iron) will block the iron absorption in the gut of any iron taken simultaneously. The timing of foods containing tannins and iron containing foods is important to reduce the risk of malabsorption of vital iron into the blood (also, iron is terribly toxic in high quantities but also essential to human life).

Coffee, like most of the hot drink herbs contains caffeine.

Other caffeinated foods include:

- cocoa (v. small amounts, almost undetectable but present),
- Black tea,
- Green tea (definitely has caffeine in it, Matcha (refined green tea) has more caffeine than coffee).

The darker of the three, coffee, cocoa and black tea also contain significant numbers of polyphenols which serve as potent antioxidants in the body.

All four of the above (except cocoa) are potent diuretics and activate kidney function in removing water from the body by stimulating atrial natriuretic peptide from their vasoconstrictive actions (the right atrium of the heart releases this hormone into the blood in response to stretching of the atrial wall in the heart in response to increased blood pressure, a result of systemic vasoconstriction).

Coffee is also a bitter which makes it the most potent of the diuretics and also gives a benefit to the stomach by clearing out old matter by stimulating stomach emptying (gastric emptying).

Therefore, coffee and the other listed items above are herbs which have a specific use..

In many cultures, coffee is the first beverage of the day in order to prepare the stomach for food.

Following this, there is usually some period of time which elapses before eating and then food is taken into the clean stomach.

Coffee also promotes defecation which assists one to move the bowels in the morning.

The above items are all things which occur as part of parasympathetic stimulation, the opposite of fight flight which shuts the stomach and digestive organs down.

A too high dose of coffee will of course, play havoc with the body, as does too high a dose of any substance.

The increased blood pressure and caffeine thereof can lead to jitters, nervousness and heart palpitations.

This is not ideal and having coffee to the point where you experience the above is a poor choice, which exceeds the dose of an otherwise useful remedy as described above.

So in reality, the true problem is a lack of self control and understanding, blamed on a plant whose consumption dates back many centuries.

The "deadly" lays purely in an individual's inability to understand and say no to something harmful or harmful amounts of something good, just as a wayward teenager who does not understand the consequences of speeding fast in their car is likely to crash horribly as a result of their own poor choices.

Is the car therefore inherently evil and bad?

I think not.

Great to see you intervening. I'd like to hear what TCM says on weed in the drug post as I wanted to show this evidence too to some people. Would you share some pointers or some links for study on the recent sermon about this topic?

loki88 wrote:

Centralforce666 wrote:

loki88 wrote:

So you're just going to draw a conclusion by 'muh experience' and you're asking me for proof?

Shouldn't you be the one to pull up a link to some scientific study of some sorts of the compounds of camellia sinensis that proves me wrong?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12603-013-0404-1

https://www.garfieldmedicalcenter.com/GMC-Blog/2016/October/Different-Types-of-Tea-and-Caffeine-Content.aspx

etc.

interesting. What would account for my symptoms though...? They are the same as caffeine as far as I can tell

Dude, with all due respect, someone already told you you've been drinking an extremely excessive dosage of tea. Centralforce666 already described in his post how an excessive dosage of caffeine can bring negative consequences. I think a better question would be: "Are all these effects coming from caffeine or is there something else that is adding symptoms?"

if you wanna drink coffee, drink it, if you dont want to drink coffee dont drink. TADAHHHH!!!!!!!!

Stormblood wrote:

loki88 wrote:

Centralforce666 wrote:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12603-013-0404-1

https://www.garfieldmedicalcenter.com/GMC-Blog/2016/October/Different-Types-of-Tea-and-Caffeine-Content.aspx

etc.

interesting. What would account for my symptoms though...? They are the same as caffeine as far as I can tell

Dude, with all due respect, someone already told you you've been drinking an extremely excessive dosage of tea. Centralforce666 already described in his post how an excessive dosage of caffeine can bring negative consequences. I think a better question would be: "Are all these effects coming from caffeine or is there something else that is adding symptoms?"

He would shove it up his ass lol!

Aquarius wrote:

He would shove it up his ass lol!

How else are you supposed to wake up your Kundalini in the morning? I read about this in a book by this new age magician, Dr. Moshe Abramowitz, she said that this gave her kundalini enough energy to have babies! So now she has one big kundalini, and a thousand little baby ones too! And they all buzzing from the caffeine high. She said this is what they did in ancient india, even though coffee didn't exist in ancient india, they still had it because they were that magical that they could have it anyway. Now I don't want you criticizing my ideas here, because you're just being rude and you don't provide any sources! At least I have a source! I gave you my source right here, Dr. Moshe Abramowitz new age 1,001 kundalini having goddess. What do you mean I should be more discerning and smart about what I believe?

Stormblood wrote:

loki88 wrote:

Centralforce666 wrote:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12603-013-0404-1

https://www.garfieldmedicalcenter.com/GMC-Blog/2016/October/Different-Types-of-Tea-and-Caffeine-Content.aspx

etc.

interesting. What would account for my symptoms though...? They are the same as caffeine as far as I can tell

Dude, with all due respect, someone already told you you've been drinking an extremely excessive dosage of tea. Centralforce666 already described in his post how an excessive dosage of caffeine can bring negative consequences. I think a better question would be: "Are all these effects coming from caffeine or is there something else that is adding symptoms?"

the only change is the addition of the green tea and this over a long period of trial and experiment; withdrawal and return

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

Aquarius wrote:

He would shove it up his ass lol!

How else are you supposed to wake up your Kundalini in the morning? I read about this in a book by this new age magician, Dr. Moshe Abramowitz, she said that this gave her kundalini enough energy to have babies! So now she has one big kundalini, and a thousand little baby ones too! And they all buzzing from the caffeine high. She said this is what they did in ancient india, even though coffee didn't exist in ancient india, they still had it because they were that magical that they could have it anyway. Now I don't want you criticizing my ideas here, because you're just being rude and you don't provide any sources! At least I have a source! I gave you my source right here, Dr. Moshe Abramowitz new age 1,001 kundalini having goddess. What do you mean I should be more discerning and smart about what I believe?

Lol she must have 20 halos now, three horns and a long, long tail. Did you notice how many arms she has?

loki88 wrote:

Deadly Coffee/Caffeine Facts It Figures
September 2, 2017

Ladies and Gentlemen, I love coffee and I thought you might be interested in this article I found.

You’re not going to like this one bit: you’ve been lied about the health benefits of coffee!

1. Caffeine is an alkaloid that the coffee plant uses to kill bugs, which eat its’ seeds.

The coffee plant also uses caffeine in the coffee pods to kill surrounding plants, so the coffee plant can attain more sunlight and grow larger. Caffeine is a pesticide, which causes genetic termination in living cells that come into contact with it.

2. MRI images taken before and after 1 cup of coffee showed a decrease in blood flow to the brain by 45%. When the blood flow reduction was measured exactly, it was actually 52% less blood flow to the brain, after just one small cup of coffee. http://abcn.ws/2ipmLj7

3. Brain imaging studies of chronic coffee drinkers showed they presented the same degradation of their brains as chronic alcoholics, cigarette smokers, Parkinson’s patients and marijuana users. http://dailym.ai/1qjSqi0

4. Coffee can cause an urge to move ones’ bowels because this is one way the body tries to eliminate poison from the system. The sudden urge to “poo” after drinking coffee is one of the body’s defense mechanisms to poison.

5. Coffee increases energy via the human fight or flight metabolic response, because the body is afraid of the caffeine based poison. Coffee doesn’t give energy, it removes it from the body.
The energy a person feels when they drink coffee is the body going into overdrive because caffeine is a poison and all poisons activate an energy release in the body. (fight or flight)

Coffee removes energy from the system, leaving the person progressively more and more exhausted each day that passes, therefore setting up the world’s most dangerous energy stimulation addiction… coffee dependence for energy.

6. When the fight or flight response is triggered in the body, the lower IQ centers of the brain are activated as well as hormonal systems in control of aggression, violence, irrational and illogical decision making, jealousy, rage, anger, fear and paranoia.

Coffee generates lower end mental functioning with a side of every negative emotional response the body can generate.

7. When measured, 1 coffee activated the fight and flight response for 3 consecutive weeks, even though no other caffeine was consumed after that 1 cup of coffee. One cup of coffee poisons the body for 3 consecutive weeks, on a decreasing scale.

8. When coffee (caffeine) is consumed, the limbic part of the brain is hyper activated and the higher learning centers of the mind inhibited. The limbic part of the brain is only concerned with sex, reproduction, protection of territory, food acquisition and personal safety.

The limbic portion of the brain is the most primitive and least developed portion of the mind complex. When you want to out smart or dominate another person, it’s best that their limbic system is activated, because it brings them to a mental state equal to that of a child.

9. The birth control pill inhibits clearing of ingested caffeine. This effect is increased dramatically by alcohol or pain killer use, therefore causing many cases of caffeine poisoning, which get treated as other things once the person reaches the hospital.

10. Coffee is proven to cause an enlarged prostate, high anxiety, insomnia, depression, birth defects, pain syndromes, unnatural breathing patterns, brain damage, hyperactivity, learning disorders (from the brain damage) behavior disorders, fatigue, certain types of cancer, Crohns, IBS, colitis, carpel tunnel, ulcers, low iron, heart disease, headaches, PMS, increased incidence of muscle and tendon injury, joint pain, heart attack, stroke,TIA’s (mini strokes)… and that’s a short list.

11. Coffee causes fat gain and cellulite because by triggering the body’s flight or fight system (which any poison or threat does). This eventually changes the body’s primary fuel source requirement to one of fat.

When the body is threatened, it prefers fat as its’ primary fuel source, over sugar or protein.

Constant activation of the body’s fight or flight system (via the daily ingestion of caffeine poison) aids in a metabolic shift to fat storage and fat conservation, because again the body prefers fat as a fuel source when fighting any toxic intruder… because fat contains 9 calories per gram for the fight, as opposed to 4 calories per gram housed by sugar and protein.

Welcome to the land of coffee (caffeine) induced fat gain, weight gain and cellulite. Coffee also destroys muscle, as the body purposely flushes muscle, when it’s poisoned, to facilitate additional fat storage.

12. Coffee (caffeine) blocks iron absorption, causing the vast majority of anemia today.

http://bit.ly/2qKSqwh The entire threat of caffeine in general includes caffeine teas, chocolates, caffeine based energy drinks, caffeine based pre work out drinks and over 2000 over the counter and prescription medications that PURPOSELY include caffeine.

13. An investigation conducted by the author of the most extensive book on coffee ever written, reviewed almost every scientific research piece regarding coffee and his conclusion was that there’s absolutely no scientific evidence what so ever that coffee provides any health benefits to the human body, on any level, in anyway.

He openly declares that any positive promotion of coffee consumption is a blatant lie, doing grave harm to our entire society. The publication of any positive effects of coffee are false and all can be traced back to a very powerful, covert and secret “coffee lobby”, which has both commercial and ruling family origins.

The author reviews the research in the book at this added link. How many coffee shops have opened in your town in the last 20 years?

So why the lying about coffee? Think of government and how governing a brain damaged population is easier than governing a healthy population. Start there and keep connecting the dots. Coffee is only one brain damaging weapon used against an uninformed slave class.

The 10 most popular brain damaging weapons used against the slave class (in order of use) are:

1) vaccines
2) coffee and caffeine products
3) alcohol
4) medical drugs
5) sugar
6) fluoride
7) cigarettes
8) processed junk foods and genetically modified foods
9) EMF radiation from wireless devices and
10) chemtrails.

If you’ve ever posed the question, “why are people so stunned, as to not figure any of this out?”… you’re missing the point that the brain damage of the slave class is the primary agenda of the ruling 1%.

Coffee and vaccines are the elite’s 1-2 punch within “operation brain damage” down here on the human farm. The best slave is a brain damaged slave, unable to think or care for themselves without the help from slave master.

A helpless population guarantees a need for government. This is why the ruling families do everything in their power to create a helpless population, day in and day out. Governments exist because they perpetually create the conditions for their own existence.

Ancient ruling families, who masquerade as modern altruistic governments, are not there to help the people progress, evolve or become more. You live on a chemically controlled slave based control grid.

Coffee is just another massive lie inside the human control operation. Want to shut the human farm down? Want to really become more than the stereotypical diseased, overweight, dis-empowered, depressed, and dysfunctional human mess? Reject the poisons!

Thanks Jason Christoff for posting this on Facebook! Read “Caffeine Blues: Wake Up to the Hidden Dangers of America’s #1 Drug.”

This is important to mention that before I did research on buying a coffee press i figured out that the seller was from Israel. Screw that.

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

Aquarius wrote:

He would shove it up his ass lol!

How else are you supposed to wake up your Kundalini in the morning? I read about this in a book by this new age magician, Dr. Moshe Abramowitz, she said that this gave her kundalini enough energy to have babies! So now she has one big kundalini, and a thousand little baby ones too! And they all buzzing from the caffeine high. She said this is what they did in ancient india, even though coffee didn't exist in ancient india, they still had it because they were that magical that they could have it anyway. Now I don't want you criticizing my ideas here, because you're just being rude and you don't provide any sources! At least I have a source! I gave you my source right here, Dr. Moshe Abramowitz new age 1,001 kundalini having goddess. What do you mean I should be more discerning and smart about what I believe?

Lol y'all talking about them coffee enemas :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Aquarius wrote:

Stormblood wrote:

loki88 wrote:

interesting. What would account for my symptoms though...? They are the same as caffeine as far as I can tell

Dude, with all due respect, someone already told you you've been drinking an extremely excessive dosage of tea. Centralforce666 already described in his post how an excessive dosage of caffeine can bring negative consequences. I think a better question would be: "Are all these effects coming from caffeine or is there something else that is adding symptoms?"

He would shove it up his ass lol!

Was haben die Amerikaner Kaffee in den Arsch geschoben? Ja
hahaha

Aquarius wrote:

Stormblood wrote:

loki88 wrote:

interesting. What would account for my symptoms though...? They are the same as caffeine as far as I can tell

Dude, with all due respect, someone already told you you've been drinking an extremely excessive dosage of tea. Centralforce666 already described in his post how an excessive dosage of caffeine can bring negative consequences. I think a better question would be: "Are all these effects coming from caffeine or is there something else that is adding symptoms?"

He would shove it up his ass lol!

dann sagte guten morgen! whooo!!!

satanichonor wrote:

Aquarius wrote:

Stormblood wrote:

Dude, with all due respect, someone already told you you've been drinking an extremely excessive dosage of tea. Centralforce666 already described in his post how an excessive dosage of caffeine can bring negative consequences. I think a better question would be: "Are all these effects coming from caffeine or is there something else that is adding symptoms?"

He would shove it up his ass lol!

dann sagte guten morgen! whooo!!!

I’m not German! Lol