Criticism and Feedback: How Can We Improve?

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

blueFlame666 wrote:

First it is a huge mistake to develop the whole science of astrology and again give knowledge to the enemy.

The enemy already knows all of this information, and much more. Every action that they have done for the last hundreds of years have been done on specific days and times for astrological effect.

yes right, thank you, they know to a point, and by stolen astrological knowledge they got to this day,
but there is no need for these psychopaths to learn anything beyond that :lol:

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

Masterj810610 wrote:

1. Is it possible to have a french section in the forum, section in which we would translate your sermon and other important thread. I think it would help people that are not really good for understanding english (I know that we can translate with google translate, but sometimes the translation is a little bit off the track)

2. On the french version of the ToZ website, there is no search bar and we have to go on the english version. If we want to introduce new people to ToZ with the french site, they wont be able to search for an information without going through the whole website to maybe find the exact page containing the exact link for what they are looking for.

Thx

Great idea. :D

I finnaly manage to make a comment about a french section and the announcement is made minutes after I post... The timing is really amazing

mercury_wisdom wrote:

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

My criticism and one of the biggest reasons I am not very active on the forums as I used to be.

Is the quality of posts. I usually read the most active topics but for sometime now, the trashiest, most time-wasting and toxic posts that garner attention goes to the top. This is not a good algorithm for trying to find spiritual info and wisdom.

What I do to offset this is reading the recent posts and replies of members that I highly-trust I will learn something new especially brother NakedPluto but also Lydia, VoE, Shadowkat, Blitz, etc. But this is not very efficient as a community.

We have to find a way to better move quality and informative posts to the top. (Other than announcements.)

Also, there should be a system in place if we can't ban some low quality and trash drama posts at least get them to the very bottom of the forums where they get zero attention and doesn't distract us from our spiritual growth.

I second this

A more guided approach for new members, as in advice about what meditation to do next, how much to practice it, when is one apt to switch to another one, how does one know they've done it correctly, variations in intensity etc, branching to more advanced meditations, and suggestions of meditation routines. I know someone should be able to figure these on the way, but in the beginning it can be very discouraging, not knowing what to do, and it can halt progress.

I don't want to put pressure on Clergy's shoulders, and I understand as I'm not an English native myself, but it would help in future library projects if Sermons/pages would be devoid of typos or grammatical errors, since the editing part would be much lighter and we'd only have to format it, which is pretty fast for a readied document. We'd be much more efficient in updating our library.

One thing can be astrology, there are only methods to interpret planets in signs or aspects to people.

It would be nice to have them for other things too, like business, sports, warfare, and more.

I'd just like to see some steps towards being more active in the physical and maybe revive the old Youtube channel to give instructional videos also as some have said here already the beginners guide to TOZ is non existent i was lucky when i started i was very young (14) and i had lots of spare time to read the absolute shite out of the site I'm also considerably much older of a soul so i was able to pretty much reach out to the gods no meditation or candles required and say like so where should i start and Thoth was like yeah bro so you want to be doing... and the guy made a very long comprehensive list for me that i was able to make but unfortunately not everyone can do this with our gods so maybe write a section up for that like obviously some people will smash through things very easily and others will struggle.

like my telegram group some of the members there struggle to turn their chakras and i was like well i nailed that instantly with extremely low effort required i then told this particular member told him what i visualized and the way that especially for the sixth charkra that i envisioned silver lightening coming down from above and how i saw my chakras as pyramids rigged into a plane engine turbine and force fed them with massive amounts of white light/gold energy lasers and silver energy bolts and that didnt just break through my sixth Chakra that got them all turning very very quickly so i think that the 40 day program might want to have it broken down a lot more like your 1st year as a Zevist what to focus on doing a bit of basic goal setting etc etc i think this would tie back into the YouTube channel really well where people can watch this being demonstrated or perhaps they aren't very good at reading or i don't know what you call it but you know how there is different types of learning perhaps you are more of a visual learner and less of a bookworm and so you take instruction best from visual and audio learning.

I do not have any personal criticisms of the TOZ or TOZ guardians I did a few years back but you guys have really matured over time and get straight to the point on a lot of matters without too much rambling or though ranting is healthy for you to get out i didn't really need to know about your political views or whatever is not going your way right now i just kind of wanted this question answered you now have a much more professional and insightful approach to most things even when some of those things are the biggest eye roll moments and questions one could possibly manifest.

I think that the internet Battalion was a pretty good idea i dont know if thats still a thing but would be cool also to have it email listed so you know make an account on X then we get together in mass and just promote the crap out of TOZ or bomb chat rooms and sites and have us actually operate in teams to make it seem like the TOZ is the best you know like how have you not heard about this great movement that is TOZ and have some of us be casually like yeah i checked that out that was great you know make a compelling case for the person to go check it out use some of that "herd" mentality psychological techniques to get people to buy into the idea of it.

i would like to do and achieve a lot more but i know begrudgingly that right now is not the time. But its so close but now i can taste the satanic future pouring into this world even as i type this now i can see it and i can see it easily the kingdom rises before i would have to try so hard to see it but now i can see it easily as easily as one would throw around the thought of what they are going to eat next on the dinner plate.

I did not post previously how the ToZ helped me, to avoid being too personal.
In a few words, ToZ helped me to understand the value of community, that I always had in my planets, but was buried under self-importance and ego issues.

How can we improve ?
Starting from ourselves. I found I was too much prone to quick and harsh reactions to any criticism, the root of this was inside me. This comes from childhood, false expectations from relatives, hang-ups etc. This ingrained into a part of my mind - I won't goo deeper as it may be different from everyone.
This anyway helped me to defend myself, so I don't mean we should become a group of sweetened ballerinas, or so.
My suggestion, criticize ourselves before, for a second before posting out loud.
I write few words here from time to time but I read more.

Manofsatan wrote:

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Manofsatan wrote:

Now will really be a great time to read about valeferon

Yes, pretty soon. His page will be magnificent.

Your thirst for spirituality and how much you want to improve is very obvious I have to say, the future looks bright ahead.

Thank you HP Zevios, this the second time you have acknowledged my desire and you are right. As much as I enjoy the knowledge and life I apply in Satan's Name which you have given, I also now have recently desired to be useful in this family, I put my mind to find ways to be of good contribution to this home, this is my desire as I feel I have come of age since I joined.
Thank you HP HC, I'm full of gratitude, TOZ has saved my life, empowered me and given me great Joy for future. I believe you when you say the future is bright ahead (to me that entails my growth on all areas and my usefulness here).
Thank you! If I knew you , I would devot and undying followership to you as even now.
My dream is to operate on the highest level of divinity on this Earth, just like the story of Apollonius you told us about, it's been how I wish from childhood that people will encounter divinity through me,( that's y I do the God power rituals every day; "our Queen Astarte, Father Beelzebul , Azazel which I recently replace with Lord valefor).
Well, I'll walk the road and not talk. Thank you HP HC, I love you for all your sacrifice, if you and HP Pythia weren't here, I'll be a yearning soul that longs for home but can't find, that will be the saddest thing and very frustrating knowing strongly that the Truth abounds but can't reach it... I'm truly grateful, it's like TOZ happened for me.

HAIL ZEUS
HAIL ALL THE Gods of Elysium .
HAIL THE Zevios FOR HIS SACRIFICE
HAIL Pythia FOR HER INNOVATION AND SACRIFICE
HAIL OR MY BROTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING e.g Blitzkrieg, Lydia, soaringeagle, Egon etc..
HAIL All my brothers and sisters who like me haven't contributed a dime, for we will wake up to our home soon and put efforts for we are TOZ
HAIL THE JOY OF THE TEMPLE OF ZEUS.

I LOVE YOU ALL.

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

Criticism and Feedback: How Can We Improve?

It's been raised before by more of us that it might be a good idea to create 2 categories inside the main Temple of Zeus 666 forum, one for spiritual matters and one for non-spirtitual matters. This has the obvious advantage of categorization of the content and then the two separate categories will hold new posts on the their first page for longer time, therefore most likely getting more views and exposure as there might be many members that login after such posts are already on the second page and many might not be checking there. There are probably many threads being opened daily so this will likely help. Also if this is considered, all existing threads from the main forum would also have to be moved inside those categories depending on where they fit.

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

AristocraticDragon666 wrote:

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

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-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

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1. Create a weekly blog, a topic where every beginner or advanced can ask the HP Zevios Metathronos or guardians questions and get answers (for starters, as part of the experiment).
2. If there are many questions, then for example it will be possible to introduce a restriction: No more than 1-3 questions. For example, if the problem is that it is not possible to answer all the questions due to the number of questions coming in, or if they get lost in a lot of messages.

I ask you to forgive me, if I am insolent and breaking the chain of command.

You are not breaking anything, because you are expressing a problem that requires to be addressed and we are here to address this and help other newer members and also improve ourselves. Also you wrote very constructive feedback.

If someone can accumulate these questions, I can actually answer them. They have to be in a category. Or somehow like this. Then every so often I can answer these en masse.

I am very sorry, as much as I would like to answer every single question, my time is actually constrained. Many members even those who might be newer have all the necessary knowledge to answer you however in full and correctly.

F_For_Flamingo wrote:

Perhaps putting a greater emphasis on Ritual's and cleaning for new people.

Perhaps like a month or two of doing cleaning and Ritual's before starting with powermeditation.

I think the minimum before one engages in Ritual after one dedicates should be 3 months. At 3 months, one can try, but only to see how Spiritual Warfare would work. The average preparation time should be 6 months.

One could cross this rule here, but one must understand why it would exist.

I am very pleased to hear that. Thank you very much, in the coming weeks I will prepare a list of questions and publish. I understand you, my time constrained too. After a working day, I cannot spend my free time on everything I want to do, I have to sacrifice something and choose what to do.

Ol argedco luciftias wrote:

AristocraticDragon666 wrote:

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You can ask any question in this topic and we will try to answer you.

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15534

Thank you, in the coming weeks I will prepare a list of questions and publish in this topic.

Shadowcat wrote:

Ahh i have one suggestion that could help improve the ToZ astro site, if possible. When one attempts to enter the city of birth the options to choose from are not specific enough and generic. For example, You type in your city and press search and one or two options come up along with the country. One of the only two options that shows up with mine shows as follows (name of my city, Chicago, USA) These options we can choose from as far as locations just seem too general and generic when it should be as accurate as possible.

USA is correct but Chicago is entirely in the north of the states and on a different timezone. Besides, there are other cities with this very same name in different states and time zones, and this counts for other cities as well. It seems to also explain why the degrees differ by one or half at least compared to astro.com. (if still seen as fairly accurate) Just a thought. Maybe it would be better to be able to choose city AND state from a dropdown menu?

1. Suggestions can be quoted directly to Hidden Warrior who is responsible for the programming of that site.

https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=397055#p397055

2. Manual coordinates can be inserted. Find the coordinates of the location you have in mind and enter them in the manual coordinates fields.

13th_Wolf wrote:

mercury_wisdom wrote:

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

My criticism and one of the biggest reasons I am not very active on the forums as I used to be.

Is the quality of posts. I usually read the most active topics but for sometime now, the trashiest, most time-wasting and toxic posts that garner attention goes to the top. This is not a good algorithm for trying to find spiritual info and wisdom.

What I do to offset this is reading the recent posts and replies of members that I highly-trust I will learn something new especially brother NakedPluto but also Lydia, VoE, Shadowkat, Blitz, etc. But this is not very efficient as a community.

We have to find a way to better move quality and informative posts to the top. (Other than announcements.)

Also, there should be a system in place if we can't ban some low quality and trash drama posts at least get them to the very bottom of the forums where they get zero attention and doesn't distract us from our spiritual growth.

I second this

The risk remains high that by creating forum after forum, then forums do not accumulate the necessary posting. If one sees too many forums, that doesn't mean one will participate. For many, it can create confusion.

The general forum can be seen as an open ancient forum of Rome. When you walk around, you must be aware you might hear things that you do not like or might make you feel like crap. As an advanced member, one must be able to handle this, and move on with helping anyway.

The placing of the forums has to do with replies and post time, when they were posted. This is what bumps posts up.

A real goal is always to make what is crap into something useful. Guardians tend to do this, even with replies on the seemingly creepy posts.

It's also not disallowed to just want to talk.

ToZ used to have an "advanced meditators" section and so on. Creating 10 sections where people just wait and nobody does much into them is not going to improve anything.

I am also replying to Alchemist on this later in the replies where he has made a reasonable proposition.

AsraArdwulfLeberecht wrote:

A more guided approach for new members, as in advice about what meditation to do next, how much to practice it, when is one apt to switch to another one, how does one know they've done it correctly, variations in intensity etc, branching to more advanced meditations, and suggestions of meditation routines. I know someone should be able to figure these on the way, but in the beginning it can be very discouraging, not knowing what to do, and it can halt progress.

I don't want to put pressure on Clergy's shoulders, and I understand as I'm not an English native myself, but it would help in future library projects if Sermons/pages would be devoid of typos or grammatical errors, since the editing part would be much lighter and we'd only have to format it, which is pretty fast for a readied document. We'd be much more efficient in updating our library.

I understand what you mean here, yet the important aspect is that you must start developing and actively seeking after the Gods to this. They will lead you to clues and help, which might or might not arrive in the forums, or has been posted in the forums. But I get what you mean.

I agree on the need of guides for beginners, which some have existed in the past, or like the 40 day program. I think these should extent and should be made to cover for up to the first year.

jrvan wrote:

Are you maybe able to program your mail inbox to categorize e-mails related to projects in a subfolder or subfolders? That way nothing pertaining to the ToZ projects gets accidentally buried, and you can open the folders containing those messages at your leisure when you have time. Is that possible so that correspondence can be made simpler and more expedient? Or do the e-mail providers not allow for such customization?

Other than that, I really don't know what to complain about. :lol:

I actually have, and my mailbox is still a mess. I think I leave almost nothing unanswered. But I still have delay issues.

I am really trying to organize these, it's been mostly a success, still a long way to go with this.

Pillar wrote:

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How can we improve ?
Starting from ourselves. I found I was too much prone to quick and harsh reactions to any criticism, the root of this was inside me. This comes from childhood, false expectations from relatives, hang-ups etc. This ingrained into a part of my mind - I won't goo deeper as it may be different from everyone.
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Preach, preach. That's the important thing. I also want to show that criticism is not evil at all. It's necessary. That's why this post and the other post focus on expression and then the criticism.

The Alchemist7 wrote:

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

Criticism and Feedback: How Can We Improve?

It's been raised before by more of us that it might be a good idea to create 2 categories inside the main Temple of Zeus 666 forum, one for spiritual matters and one for non-spirtitual matters. This has the obvious advantage of categorization of the content and then the two separate categories will hold new posts on the their first page for longer time, therefore most likely getting more views and exposure as there might be many members that login after such posts are already on the second page and many might not be checking there. There are probably many threads being opened daily so this will likely help. Also if this is considered, all existing threads from the main forum would also have to be moved inside those categories depending on where they fit.

Ready to do this as requested, but the situation is, what many people cannot handle, is actually nothing else but ignorance or newcomers. Isolating them into a dead forum is a not question. Advanced brothers have to stomach this. HPS Pythia and the Gods have reiterated to me again and again, there are not fools or foolish questions.

I used to ask stupid things more than a decade ago. Some people answered. Not all times, but sometimes they did. It helped.

If this is to be done, I want a functional and very clear laid out thing that will succeed, and not something based on emotion. Yes, I have been told certain people cringe when they read certain things, but if you go back to your first posts ever [like all of us] one might cringe. If not posts, then notes.

So far, the separation of spiritual questions and general conversation is the most sensible way of dividing things proposed.

Vira_ wrote:

One thing can be astrology, there are only methods to interpret planets in signs or aspects to people.

It would be nice to have them for other things too, like business, sports, warfare, and more.

There is a whole branch of astrology for this, but I get what you mean. I could see this on the far future of astrology. For example, how to predict a National war.

sshivafr wrote:

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

Manofsatan wrote:

Now will really be a great time to read about valeferon

Yes, pretty soon. His page will be magnificent.

🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤 THANKS

The next aspect of the project might include Categorization of material, but also the keywords and a search aimed at keywords.

I would like to do this type of project, categorization, it speaks to me. But with translation projects, I'm afraid I won't be able to honor my commitments, and I'd hate that, to promise and have it go unfulfilled.
However, I can participate if there is a team provided, just to be a backup. If you wish of course.

I can't wait for the Valefor page, thanks 😊😊

Never say never sister, just do your best. Maybe 6 months from now you will be looking at your own help and contributions and be like "wow, I have grown and helped immensely!".

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

If this is to be done, I want a functional and very clear laid out thing that will succeed, and not something based on emotion. Yes, I have been told certain people cringe when they read certain things, but if you go back to your first posts ever [like all of us] one might cringe. If not posts, then notes.

Indeed separating the main forum in the categories mentioned requires a bit of research: How many threads are being opened every day? How many are related to spirituality and how many are non-spiritual matters? If we would be able to research the number of threads opened daily in the last say couple months, a report can be created to model, predict and quantify the potential activity each sub-forum (spiritual and non-spiritual) might have if they are opened. This can help us figure out whether any of them will end up as dead forums because we would roughly know based on the past activity how many threads are likely to be opened daily.

I wanted to raise this given the opportunity provided by this thread but as you said before, if the activity increases so much in the future that one forum becomes unbearable to contain it, then something will need to be done and this is likely to be the easiest solution. We are not there yet, most likely. In my opinion the existing singular forum will be over-crowded and unable to contain the content when there will be so many threads opened in one day that many of them will end up on the second page within a few hours or something, which means that not many members would have had the chance or time to read them, depending on when they login. What needs to be added here is the number of older posts that members are replying to, and are brought on the top of the list. The goal I am proposing here is that new threads should be on the first page for as long as possible so as many members will have the chance to read them when they login, increasing the chances for the posters to get their questions answered more easily and by more people.

Another factor that needs considered here is whether the existing members will be active on both spiritual and non-spiritual forums and not just on one of them because as you said this might create a certain degree of isolation in one of the forums (probably the non-spiritual one). The whole idea can definitely be researched in detail and realistical predictions can be drawn from this.

The Alchemist7 wrote:

HP. Zevios Metathronos wrote:

If this is to be done, I want a functional and very clear laid out thing that will succeed, and not something based on emotion. Yes, I have been told certain people cringe when they read certain things, but if you go back to your first posts ever [like all of us] one might cringe. If not posts, then notes.

Indeed separating the main forum in the categories mentioned requires a bit of research: How many threads are being opened every day? How many are related to spirituality and how many are non-spiritual matters? If we would be able to research the number of threads opened daily in the last say couple months, a report can be created to model, predict and quantify the potential activity each sub-forum (spiritual and non-spiritual) might have if they are opened. This can help us figure out whether any of them will end up as dead forums because we would roughly know based on the past activity how many threads are likely to be opened daily.

I wanted to raise this given the opportunity provided by this thread but as you said before, if the activity increases so much in the future that one forum becomes unbearable to contain it, then something will need to be done and this is likely to be the easiest solution. We are not there yet, most likely. In my opinion the existing singular forum will be over-crowded and unable to contain the content when there will be so many threads opened in one day that many of them will end up on the second page within a few hours or something, which means that not many members would have had the chance or time to read them, depending on when they login. What needs to be added here is the number of older posts that members are replying to, and are brought on the top of the list. The goal I am proposing here is that new threads should be on the first page for as long as possible so as many members will have the chance to read them when they login, increasing the chances for the posters to get their questions answered more easily and by more people.

Another factor that needs considered here is whether the existing members will be active on both spiritual and non-spiritual forums and not just on one of them because as you said this might create a certain degree of isolation in one of the forums (probably the non-spiritual one). The whole idea can definitely be researched in detail and realistical predictions can be drawn from this.

I agree, that's why we didn't instantly go with this. I think further observation is needed.

Henu the Great wrote:

The forums are a mess.

We have several different subjects in one main category in the English section. I would imagine the situation is not much better in other communities. All the useful spiritual info and topics for guidance are next to less useful posts, outright blasphemy, usual trolling tirades, news articles, and so on and so forth. I believe there is an ongoing effort to gather all the useful material into one file. This would have been avoided if there was one section for spiritual info and counseling from the get-go or at least updated at some point, and other sections for news, off-topic, and so on.

I would welcome an initiative to reorganize topics. But first alternative sections would have to be created and perhaps other modifications made for this platform.

There was mention of requesting for adding additional visible markers for the hierarchy. I would propose two levels below JGs, those being Librarians, and Library assistants. Librarians would be those who have contributed considerably and consistently over time to the ToZ and Library assistants would be those who have consistently contributed for the benefit of the community. This would give a clearer picture to people who they are talking to as those who handle more material also might know and understand a bit more than those who do not. This, however, is not something very urgent or perhaps needed at all, but seeing that this pops up here and there, there might be something to this idea.

I think it would be beneficial as you mentioned if for new posts we could have categories like:

Infoposts, Political, News...
Questions

So we do not have the problem, if one wants to answer open questions they have to read through all the info posts etc.

Also that one only can search for the posts according to language. So one does not see other language posts then the ones one did mark.

I am not the most active member at the moment, but I have witnessed the groups and then the forums in their evolution. I see, we are getting close to a change and a big development for the forums at now.
As the forum has accumulated years in terms of energies, I would suggest to change the forum colour and layout.
I have learned how the mind can stay stuck in behavioral patterns due to symbols you have in front of your eyes. Changing color and layout may trigger a different approach from members.
Just my 2 cents,

One thing that came to mind while I was translating the Spiritual Warfare Training Program is there is no mention of timing your workings with the moon, most importantly the void of course moon. I see so many newcomers say they are doing such and such meditation, then ask the most obvious question(to us anyway) that is answered multiple times on the ToZ website, and when you ask them if they have even read anything on the ToZ aside from the flashy meditations, they say no.

I feel it is crucial especially in the training programs to have a mention of it at least and to stress it's importance, as these will likely be a Zevist's first steps.

SleepingWolf wrote:

There's no options to sort search result by most views or engagements and titles, which would help people find the the discussions with the most info, but even that isn't always great since that can be a lot of reading. It feels like it shouldn't be this difficult to find answers to questions that have been answered here, but with no way of rating posts (which I understand why they can't be) that also means no way of making it easier to find very good sources of information and great posts by other users here.

I don't know or have the perfect solution, but at the very least more options for the search engine would be a great improvement.

How come 'rating' / 'reputation score' isn't a viable option?

Satanama <3

The Website needs a total revamp. I recommend a JavaScript framework like react to bring everything under a single domain. TOZ Astro could be directly intergraded into the site this way.

All references to the Yahoo groups need to be scrubbed for ancient forums.

The Astrology page needs to be updated with References to Website icon which used to be a pentagram should be restored.

I could go on but maybe a topic should be opened and everyone can report bugs.

Honestly I discovered TOZ when I was in 6th grade. I preformed my dedication at 12 years old and I mainly printed most of the site way back when HP Pythia was the only one posting sermon's on the main site and the other HPs were in the yahoo groups but back then only dial up was in my area and I didn't have time for forums because it wasn't worth the load times. It hurts my heart to see the site in such disarray I would be happy to give any advise from my experience in Web Development to help bring it up to date for the next generation and so on.