Asking about protein shakes

Stormblood wrote:

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Okay, but the problem is you’re assuming that just going over the recommended protein amounts is enough to over work your kidneys, but it isn’t. That would require extreme amounts of protein. More than what a person could eat safely without force feeding. And even then they would have to force feed for months if not years before damage would take place. Also keep in mind the kidneys are constantly recycled so you don’t have to really worry about that if you’re healthy otherwise. And you know how they get recycled? Protein. I’m not trying to be condescending. But it’s quite obvious. The reality is once a theory gets accepted by the mainstream it’s a motherfucker to get people to change their views when new evidence comes out. It’s clear you’ve stubbornly locked on to the idea a high protein diet is bad and so I guess that’s what you’ll believe from now on. That’s your right.

You say imbalanced diets can be used to correct things? That’s exactly what this is. A trainee is constantly wearing down their body and they need that high protein for recovery to keep things working. As long as you train, high protein diets are a good idea and there isn’t a downside unless you go to extremes.

From experience, I know how important high amounts of protein are for performance in the gym. If you don’t believe me, try it. Increase your intake and you’ll notice performance increases.

I’ll say it again, kidneys issues aren’t caused by protein. They’re caused by other things. That narrative really needs to go away. It’s funny cause I’ve said this over and over on the forums and explained over and over again why. Yet this theory comes up again and again with no thorough explanation as to why? Every point that gets made by you and others I’m able to debunk with explanations. Because I know what I’m talking about. It’s interesting too to me that you asked advice from people who don’t train and don’t know the subject by their own admission and then dismiss statements from someone who is experienced and lock on to your beliefs like a bull. It is what it is I guess, but it bogs my mind. And I stress that I really am not trying to be rude at all by saying that. I’m sorry if it comes across that way. I just genuinely am puzzled.

And also the whole thing of ‘protein powder is processed so it’s bad’ meme also comes from a lack of understanding. Processed doesn’t mean bad automatically. People have to stop assuming that and educate themselves. Processing can mean breaking something down, it can mean stripping it of things, and it can mean adding things. Some of these things can be bad some not. With powders you have to do your research on brands. A quality powder isn’t unsafe. The processing done to it is no different than what happens naturally in digestion. This is why the powders are so effective and easily digested and absorbed. And actually better absorbed than from traditional food sources. Because the variables of digestion are eliminated. I can explain that further too if anyone wants.

Powders are practical and not only help performance in the gym but can help overall health in general. For it be dangerous you’d need to be eating hundreds and hundreds of grams per day for an excessive period of time. I’m saying all this stuff to alleviate erroneous fears on the subject and so people can safely and comfortably pursue their fitness goals.

Stormblood wrote:

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There is this other thing I meant to add before noticing your reply.

Eric13 mentioned healthy. What healthy people? Healthy people are a minority nowadays even into fitness circles and athletes. Most of them drink alcohol, some of them even smoke or do drugs. There's no such thing as being healthy when you do either of that. Even a single unit of alcohol damages you immediately, which is why in the Golden Ages of humanity alcohol was never ingested but only used as local disinfectant. Because that's what it is. A sane person does not go drink disinfectant, do they? I'll make a post about some things of alcohol that people never know.

Healthy, meaning no diseases or serious illnesses or damage of the particular organs. Functioning correctly, etc. So yes, healthy exists. Many people can say they don’t have diseases and illnesses in their organs or body. Thus they are healthy. Storm blood, you’re a smart dude. I’m really confused to this stubborn logic you have on all of this.

The body is very resilient. Having a drink from to time won’t cause any permanent damage for instance. Not that I’m advocating it. But the body is always recovering and it takes severe abuse to destroy it. Being paranoid about a drink from time to time or fried foods, or processed sweets, etc is not in line with reality. People can consume these in moderation and have no long term negative effects. If you believe to the contrary of this, I can’t see how? Have you ever had a drink? Did your liver fall apart afterwords? Did you ever eat greasy fried food or junk food? Did your organs fail and you end up in the ER? See my point? People can eat and live as they choose without this constant fear that’s pushed by these theories that they’ll die or have severe health issues by not living this monastic lifestyle that you believe we all should live. What works for one may not for another. We know from observing reality that these things, like anything really are only dangerous in excess not moderation. Because you can indulge in foods and drinks that aren’t healthy but are enjoyable and then your body has processes that will get rid of whatever isn’t nutritious and that exits the body, no problem. If you were to over indulge in fresh fruits, veg and meats, you’d experience problems as well, because the problems aren’t the food so much, but the excessive consumption which can lead to malnutrition and other problems. That’s obvious though. Anyone knows excessive alcohol or junk food is bad.

Diet is a tricky subject, because people push the diet they enjoy and fallow on everyone else, but it doesn’t work like that. We’re all are individuals with different lifestyles and goals. As you said, your natal chart gives you unconventional approaches to it. That’s fine, but be mindful of that and how you push your philosophies on people. Healthy is a spectrum. And as long as you’re in the spectrum of healthy, you’ll be fine. It’s up to the individual how extreme they want to go with it.

Stormblood wrote:

That usually happens in calisthenics and they do so out of ignorance. Bodyweight and weighted both have the same limits. It's a misunderstanding that bodyweight is more limited than weights. It comes from ignorance of competence like tempo and leverage, unwillingness to apply them to bodyweight exercises, and unwillingness to get creative. That is also not to say all weights are useless. They're great for mobility for example, especially kettlebells. The thing is that mobility-specific exercises are not part of the curriculum 99.9% of people use because it's not olympic weightlifting and not "power"lifting either. Let not me even go onto how "power"lifting as nothing to do with power. If someone wants power through weights, they should try "stronglifts 5x5" instead. Doing more than 5 reps in a given exercise does not develop power, but other types of strength.

This reminds me of the military and their physical training. Train for usage in the field not just for strength.

From what I read on this blogsite 5 reps maximize strength, 8 in between stamina/strength, and upwards of 15 pure stamina. As for hormonal release it's more of the resting periods.

https://www.aworkoutroutine.com/blog/External ↗

Found this website a few years ago and studied it doesn't seem like the "bro" crowd emphasis on progessive overload whether it be 5lb weight increase, more reps, and or more sets.

Stormblood wrote:

I love boxing, though light contact at most because it's just stupid to indulge in a high risk of brain damage that can leave you debilitated for life. I know what you meant by "never felt those areas burn like that". First time I tried, for several sessions I had my elbows and forearms burning in a way that no other form of exercise had ever done (bodybuilding, weight-lifting, crossfit, tacfit, general adult gymnastics). I really don't know why some people here in the past have assumed I have no experience in other disciplines just because I'm highlighting things they refuse to acknowledge. I'm also quite unconventional in my approach to holistic training due to my natal astrology.

I meant more in the trained, use to it crowd. In other words the person who already spent a few months or maybe a good year or two into boxing. At first YES you feel the burn and feel the arms, back, and chest. But after a bit of training and exercise you get used to it.

It's kinda like martial arts I just meant someone who has experience for a while doesn't generally complain unless the session was really intense.

Eric13 wrote:

Stormblood wrote:

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There is this other thing I meant to add before noticing your reply.

Eric13 mentioned healthy. What healthy people? Healthy people are a minority nowadays even into fitness circles and athletes. Most of them drink alcohol, some of them even smoke or do drugs. There's no such thing as being healthy when you do either of that. Even a single unit of alcohol damages you immediately, which is why in the Golden Ages of humanity alcohol was never ingested but only used as local disinfectant. Because that's what it is. A sane person does not go drink disinfectant, do they? I'll make a post about some things of alcohol that people never know.

Healthy, meaning no diseases or serious illnesses or damage of the particular organs. Functioning correctly, etc. So yes, healthy exists. Many people can say they don’t have diseases and illnesses in their organs or body. Thus they are healthy. Storm blood, you’re a smart dude. I’m really confused to this stubborn logic you have on all of this.

The body is very resilient. Having a drink from to time won’t cause any permanent damage for instance. Not that I’m advocating it. But the body is always recovering and it takes severe abuse to destroy it. Being paranoid about a drink from time to time or fried foods, or processed sweets, etc is not in line with reality. People can consume these in moderation and have no long term negative effects. If you believe to the contrary of this, I can’t see how? Have you ever had a drink? Did your liver fall apart afterwords? Did you ever eat greasy fried food or junk food? Did your organs fail and you end up in the ER? See my point? People can eat and live as they choose without this constant fear that’s pushed by these theories that they’ll die or have severe health issues by not living this monastic lifestyle that you believe we all should live. What works for one may not for another. We know from observing reality that these things, like anything really are only dangerous in excess not moderation. Because you can indulge in foods and drinks that aren’t healthy but are enjoyable and then your body has processes that will get rid of whatever isn’t nutritious and that exits the body, no problem. If you were to over indulge in fresh fruits, veg and meats, you’d experience problems as well, because the problems aren’t the food so much, but the excessive consumption which can lead to malnutrition and other problems. That’s obvious though. Anyone knows excessive alcohol or junk food is bad.

Diet is a tricky subject, because people push the diet they enjoy and fallow on everyone else, but it doesn’t work like that. We’re all are individuals with different lifestyles and goals. As you said, your natal chart gives you unconventional approaches to it. That’s fine, but be mindful of that and how you push your philosophies on people. Healthy is a spectrum. And as long as you’re in the spectrum of healthy, you’ll be fine. It’s up to the individual how extreme they want to go with it.

This complacent behaviour is exactly why people get into long-term health issues. So, should we know allow people to cut themselves voluntarily and consciously because cuts heal anyway? Do you think that is normal? Just because you don't see any damage, it doesn't mean nothing is happening inside. If you did an MRI and similar medical exams, you'd see differently. What do you need alcohol for? Nobody drank alcohol before xtards popularised it in masses because it's an external disinfectant. Do you want to drink your hand sanitiser while you're at it?

It seems like you have a very carefree approach to life and that anyone reminding you and people of what happens if you do x, y and z, immediately make your mind think of an extreme example (monastic life). When you set the bar too low, everything above it is an imposition, isn't it?

Eric13 wrote:

Okay, but the problem is you’re assuming that just going over the recommended protein amounts is enough to over work your kidneys, but it isn’t. (...)

You say imbalanced diets can be used to correct things? That’s exactly what this is. A trainee is constantly wearing down their body and they need that high protein for recovery to keep things working. As long as you train, high protein diets are a good idea and there isn’t a downside unless you go to extremes.

From experience, I know how important high amounts of protein are for performance in the gym. If you don’t believe me, try it. Increase your intake and you’ll notice performance increases.

I’ll say it again, kidneys issues aren’t caused by protein. They’re caused by other things. That narrative really needs to go away. It’s funny cause I’ve said this over and over on the forums and explained over and over again why. Yet this theory comes up again and again with no thorough explanation as to why? Every point that gets made by you and others I’m able to debunk with explanations. Because I know what I’m talking about. It’s interesting too to me that you asked advice from people who don’t train and don’t know the subject by their own admission and then dismiss statements from someone who is experienced and lock on to your beliefs like a bull. It is what it is I guess, but it bogs my mind. And I stress that I really am not trying to be rude at all by saying that. I’m sorry if it comes across that way. I just genuinely am puzzled.

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What is clear to me is that you have a problem called "assuming things". An assumption is not fact and you have debunked nothing as you have produced no unbiased study to support your thesis, because none exists. You assume that just because you feel fine eating more protein than you should, everything is fine. Do you have a medical degree? No, you don't, as your language is very different from that of a medical doctor. You do not have extensive knowledge of conventional medicine, nor of Ayurveda or TCM, yet you are dissing on people here who have TCM knowledge just because "you feel fine". Go have an MRI of your kidneys and we'll see if you're fine. I also bet your urine is very colourful. Then comes the talk of spiritual ability, but I'd leave it.

You can keep having protein powders at whatever excessive levels you're getting (most likely the usual pseudoscience circulated in most gyms of taking 1g for each lb of bodyweight). Your body is yours, meaning you can wreak it however you want. When you stop having progression in your muladhara chakra and svadhisthana chakra development because of the imbalances you clearly suffer from (I actually checked up on you, without lingering for too long because it makes me uncomfortable to go so deep in people I'm not close to), maybe you'll realise something or maybe you'll be instinctively move to a more balanced diet and stop pushing high-protein diets.

In the mean time, please leave this topic as you've gone very off-topic. If you want to talk about high-protein shakes outside the scope of TCM and Ayurveda, please open your own topic, instead of derailing mine.

Stormblood wrote:

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Well thank you for checking up on me, that’s very kind.

Stormblood, I have tremendous respect for you. Maybe we agree to disagree on this? Yeah I don’t have a medical degree, but my crowd is the fitness crowd. I’ve learned a lot from my peers and have reviewed a lot of material on these subjects. I don’t discount TCM, I do think it has merit. It’s obvious. I just don’t like the way it seems to give such general advice. Based on the stuff I’ve read posted on these forums. That always rubbed me the wrong way and I never dived further into it. Could be wrong, as I said, I’ve never deeply dived into it. If I’m going to give advice on anything, I stick with what I know from experience and communicating with others in the field and their experiences. I try to have a grounded look at it and not go to theories, but from actual experiences. I love learning about the minute functions of body and how everything works together. It’s fascinating. What I see a lot is erroneous theories thrown around, I know you see it too and it comes from a lack of understanding of
the little details. The funny thing is these things actually come from so called ‘experts’ and people with degrees. That’s why in the medical field there’s a term ‘second opinion’. Because doctors are wrong a lot. Even they don’t understand many things. The science on fitness and health is not perfect and there is a lot to learn and lot of biases too, you are right. I collect information from rounded sources the best I can. That’s what we all do. None of us are masters on these subjects. We’re doing the best we can. I have my opinions you have yours. For now, I guess we leave it at that.