Have any of you heard about treatment with the amanita muscaria mushroom? If so, could someone say more? There are generally a lot of positive opinions that it can help in recovery from various diseases.
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Blitzkreig [JG] wrote: Censorship is never an ideal option and I can understand your frustration, however we have to balance this with protecting people from being led to do harmful things. Because our community is a spiritual one and therefore both it and drugs share a relationship to Pisces energy, we wish to avoid a situation where susceptible members are led into drug use.
Even if this mushroom is not as bad as other substances, the hallucinogenic or other properties could promote for delusions, weakness to the enemy, damage to the soul, and so on. That is why any posts which appeared to promote or suggest for someone to try it were deleted.
Although I don't believe you said this, another person was suggesting for people to get a trip-sitter and so on. This is all too far and we cannot support people tripping for the above reasons.
The end goal of this path certainly supports freedom and intelligence, but we have to be aware of our own limitations currently. We have lost too many to drugs because people experiment and they couldn't handle it. A 10 year Zevism may know techniques for stabilizing themselves, but a 1 year Zevism could easily get thrown off course. That is why we take a conservative attitude in regards to what should be allowed here. We want people to have stable growth in order to support higher degrees of learning.
I hope you understand and are able to look past this.
"Although I don't believe you said this, another person was suggesting for people to get a trip-sitter and so on."
I said this as I was speaking about the effects and dangers of Amanita and advocating for responsibility and safety not "drug use". And my post got deleted for "promoting drug use." This is a flat-out lie and a very insulting one at that.
Come on, bro Blitz.
I'm not here for any back-and-forth exchanges about this. If my post got deleted for "promoting drug-use" then kindly do us all a favor and delete my account too.
HS.
Active HelperSyt wrote:View source "Although I don't believe you said this, another person was suggesting for people to get a trip-sitter and so on."
I said this as I was speaking about the effects and dangers of Amanita and advocating for responsibility and safety not "drug use". And my post got deleted for "promoting drug use." This is a flat-out lie and a very insulting one at that.
Come on, bro Blitz.
I'm not here for any back-and-forth exchanges about this. If my post got deleted for "promoting drug-use" then kindly do us all a favor and delete my account too.HS.
Saying "Go do it but get somebody to watch you." Is very different from saying "Don't do it." This is directly promoting drug use by advising people with excuses to make them think "It will be ok as long as I get somebody to watch me."
Actual safety and responsibility is to say don't do it. What help is there for somebody to be in the room while your body and brain are suffering from the effects of a neurotoxin? It did not prevent the damage from being done.
Syt wrote:View source "Although I don't believe you said this, another person was suggesting for people to get a trip-sitter and so on."
I said this as I was speaking about the effects and dangers of Amanita and advocating for responsibility and safety not "drug use". And my post got deleted for "promoting drug use." This is a flat-out lie and a very insulting one at that.
Come on, bro Blitz.
I'm not here for any back-and-forth exchanges about this. If my post got deleted for "promoting drug-use" then kindly do us all a favor and delete my account too.HS.
Your post was well-written and I knew you intended it to be responsible, but because it concludes on a point that could ultimately lead someone to do it, that is why it was deleted with the above reason.
Blitzkreig [JG] wrote:View source Your post was well-written and I knew you intended it to be responsible, but because it concludes on a point that could ultimately lead someone to do it, that is why it was deleted with the above reason.
It's all cool then.
I appreciate the explanation.
Henu the Great wrote:View source Grow up and learn about the definitions you speak of and what these substances actually are.
Yes, sharing your experience in such a positive light even to the point of glamouring poisonous mushrooms is promoting drug usage.
Denying obvious, commonly known, and unrefutable facts just makes you look like a fool. Please quit it. Instead, educate yourself.
I hope I will always grow up on my life In many fields and as a person, henu the great the most narcissistic selt entitled name in the ToZ.
I got no time to this
The_Bloom_OfDarkness wrote: Have you read TOZ? If so, why aren't you keeping it to yourself? TOZ has already responded to this topic on "recreational drugs". You were already warned of the dangers, you even had people of a generous nature to take the time and spell it out for you. This area of zevism here pushes to promote the spiritual development WITHOUT these substances. If you decide to dabble around, that is your own choice, you reap what you sew. Just keep that shit to yourself. In the end you could easily see for yourself it's better without the severe mind altering substance. In a sense you are now going agaisnt the wishes of TOZ.
"2. Recreational drug is your own business and your own judgement. Responsibility to the responsible. Zevism advocates empowering the soul without the use of artificial stimulants or mind-altering substances, but this is up to the individual."
Source:
https://templeofzeus.org/4Newbies.htmlExternal ↗If you are here to learn, grow and say you are part of TOZ. Doing what I see above, is not it. Attacking your own brothers and sisters because you think you know something.
I'll tell you what. The Clergy Of TOZ are far beyond your years of knowledge and practice. The same meditation practices you follow, the same rituals you've partaken in and exprienced results that you got from these pages. They were put together by the guidance by the gods and goddesses through the Clergy. This is also the same Clergy who's originally saying its better to advance without because it does more harm than good in the long run. You know, they aren't pulling this out of their ass.
Show some respect instead of throwing a temper tantrum. Some advanced members here are already feeling they are wasting their time reaponding.. i know i would too, but they are still here trying because they care. They are grateful of the blessings the gods have given and wish to pay that back and its become part of their dream to see the rest of humanity nourish the same, if not then they wish to see better.. and it's these same people you are now attacking. Trying to belittle and make seem inferior. That they aren't good enough.
Just think about it.. to say they aren't much of anything because they're telling you to stop promoting drug use when TOZ clearly specifies that Zevism promotes the growth without these things. They are following what TOZ says which is What the clergy has given to us as gifts. Which is a slap in the face to the clergy themselves!! Is having any form of structure that much of a problem to you?
Who invited you to the conversation? Can u call the holy pope?
Who's being attacked is ke
Who's being attacked is me, I didn't I'm inocent leave me alone, because of the mushroom
Blitzkreig [JG] wrote: Censorship is never an ideal option and I can understand your frustration, however we have to balance this with protecting people from being led to do harmful things. Because our community is a spiritual one and therefore both it and drugs share a relationship to Pisces energy, we wish to avoid a situation where susceptible members are led into drug use.
Even if this mushroom is not as bad as other substances, the hallucinogenic or other properties could promote for delusions, weakness to the enemy, damage to the soul, and so on. That is why any posts which appeared to promote or suggest for someone to try it were deleted.
Although I don't believe you said this, another person was suggesting for people to get a trip-sitter and so on. This is all too far and we cannot support people tripping for the above reasons.
The end goal of this path certainly supports freedom and intelligence, but we have to be aware of our own limitations currently. We have lost too many to drugs because people experiment and they couldn't handle it. A 10 year Zevism may know techniques for stabilizing themselves, but a 1 year Zevism could easily get thrown off course. That is why we take a conservative attitude in regards to what should be allowed here. We want people to have stable growth in order to support higher degrees of learning.
I hope you understand and are able to look past this.
I'm not promoting, each one knows what it does
The_Bloom_OfDarkness wrote: Have you read TOZ? If so, why aren't you keeping it to yourself? TOZ has already responded to this topic on "recreational drugs". You were already warned of the dangers, you even had people of a generous nature to take the time and spell it out for you. This area of zevism here pushes to promote the spiritual development WITHOUT these substances. If you decide to dabble around, that is your own choice, you reap what you sew. Just keep that shit to yourself. In the end you could easily see for yourself it's better without the severe mind altering substance. In a sense you are now going agaisnt the wishes of TOZ.
"2. Recreational drug is your own business and your own judgement. Responsibility to the responsible. Zevism advocates empowering the soul without the use of artificial stimulants or mind-altering substances, but this is up to the individual."
Source:
https://templeofzeus.org/4Newbies.htmlExternal ↗If you are here to learn, grow and say you are part of TOZ. Doing what I see above, is not it. Attacking your own brothers and sisters because you think you know something.
I'll tell you what. The Clergy Of TOZ are far beyond your years of knowledge and practice. The same meditation practices you follow, the same rituals you've partaken in and exprienced results that you got from these pages. They were put together by the guidance by the gods and goddesses through the Clergy. This is also the same Clergy who's originally saying its better to advance without because it does more harm than good in the long run. You know, they aren't pulling this out of their ass.
Show some respect instead of throwing a temper tantrum. Some advanced members here are already feeling they are wasting their time reaponding.. i know i would too, but they are still here trying because they care. They are grateful of the blessings the gods have given and wish to pay that back and its become part of their dream to see the rest of humanity nourish the same, if not then they wish to see better.. and it's these same people you are now attacking. Trying to belittle and make seem inferior. That they aren't good enough.
Just think about it.. to say they aren't much of anything because they're telling you to stop promoting drug use when TOZ clearly specifies that Zevism promotes the growth without these things. They are following what TOZ says which is What the clergy has given to us as gifts. Which is a slap in the face to the clergy themselves!! Is having any form of structure that much of a problem to you?
U the kind that clean the boss ass if he ask u to do it
Syt wrote:View source "Although I don't believe you said this, another person was suggesting for people to get a trip-sitter and so on."
I said this as I was speaking about the effects and dangers of Amanita and advocating for responsibility and safety not "drug use". And my post got deleted for "promoting drug use." This is a flat-out lie and a very insulting one at that.
Come on, bro Blitz.
I'm not here for any back-and-forth exchanges about this. If my post got deleted for "promoting drug-use" then kindly do us all a favor and delete my account too.HS.
These kinds of things, drugs, mushrooms, whatever kinds of substances with mind altering effects, are simply not to be promoted, not even in a lukewarm manner on the forum here.
There is no need for anyone to take them, there is no benefit to any of these things, it has no purpose in spirituality nor any other purpose, so it has no place here.
It is good that you advocated for responsibility, however the responsible thing here is to advice never to use or ingest these substances at all, because of the obvious and verifiable toxicity of these, as well as the above mentioned reasons by JG Blitz.
People are very impressionable, and people are often very stupid. I have done drugs when I was younger, and despite that I am indeed fine now, no harm was done long term, (because I stopped very soon after and never took anything long term or often), however if I could advice my past self, I would slap my ignorant teen age self for my bad decisions until it got through to never take these kinds of things again, rather than advocate for responsibility towards the use of things a human should not use.
Mushrooms like this, they are toxic as any drugs are, even if mild, it doesn't change this, the responsible thing is to never take them.
Anything less is simply irresponsible advice and can incentivize people to try or experiment, in order to see for themselves by believing they are making a responsible choice since they are choosing to experiment themselves after outweighing the risks and benefits, when in reality this is nothing more than a stupid decision stemming from ignorance and foolishness.
This was me when I was young. People told me drugs were bad, but to be responsible if I were to ever take them, which is just ridiculous.
Guess what I did? I took them anyway even after knowing they were dangerous, thinking I could be responsible and not take too much or whatever, because I was told to be responsible if I do take them, to be careful. Blah blah blah, it is nonsense. This would not happen if nobody had ever given my immature teen age mind a lukewarm impression towards drugs.
One should never take them and there is nothing like responsible recreational drug use, it is just stupid.
Therefore, this kind of talk is simply not for the forums here.
SSJacob wrote:View source I hope I will always grow up on my life In many fields and as a person, henu the great the most narcissistic selt entitled name in the ToZ.
Just goes to show you have no substance about this topic when you have to resort to pathetic insults.
It wasn't my intention to promote any drug
Blitzkreig [JG] wrote: Censorship is never an ideal option and I can understand your frustration, however we have to balance this with protecting people from being led to do harmful things. Because our community is a spiritual one and therefore both it and drugs share a relationship to Pisces energy, we wish to avoid a situation where susceptible members are led into drug use.
Even if this mushroom is not as bad as other substances, the hallucinogenic or other properties could promote for delusions, weakness to the enemy, damage to the soul, and so on. That is why any posts which appeared to promote or suggest for someone to try it were deleted.
Although I don't believe you said this, another person was suggesting for people to get a trip-sitter and so on. This is all too far and we cannot support people tripping for the above reasons.
The end goal of this path certainly supports freedom and intelligence, but we have to be aware of our own limitations currently. We have lost too many to drugs because people experiment and they couldn't handle it. A 10 year Zevism may know techniques for stabilizing themselves, but a 1 year Zevism could easily get thrown off course. That is why we take a conservative attitude in regards to what should be allowed here. We want people to have stable growth in order to support higher degrees of learning.
I hope you understand and are able to look past this.
I do understand very well, thank u for your time explain it
SSJacob wrote: Good post, I agree with you, depend on each one experience, for someone that has never toke nothing which is very good for their health, the mushroom is a drug. For other that take many shits in life, the mushroom is what it is. Anyway I truly understand that develop the soul without the "help" of anything, be independent, that's one of the real purpose of meditation and our religion. But still u can take them and be a junkie and meditation, don't work so well but u can do it, responsibility!
You can take anything. (you should not)
You can be responsible. (in this case, 'responsible'. Because pretending to be responsible while doing something harmful is not really being responsible.)
And lastly, but not least, you can not avoid consequences of these things as much as you pretend to twist words to your liking.
Henu the Great wrote:View source You can take anything. (you should not)
You can be responsible. (in this case, 'responsible'. Because pretending to be responsible while doing something harmful is not really being responsible.)
And lastly, but not least, you can not avoid consequences of these things as much as you pretend to twist words to your liking.
Is true what can I say
Slavic wrote:View source Have any of you heard about treatment with the amanita muscaria mushroom? If so, could someone say more? There are generally a lot of positive opinions that it can help in recovery from various diseases.
I do not recommend you to use mushrooms in the treatment.
Mushrooms are psychotropic and hallucinogenic.