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Should I just always avoid normies whenever possible, or try to get to know them. Is there really any point?
I only want to talk about intellectual topics, but my self-esteem takes a hit when I try to talk on their level of nonsense and I am inevitably rejected.
Is it okay to just avoid them? Or should I still try? Idk.
It is very hard to have dumb-down yourself to talk to most people (especially about spiritual matters), but protecting yourself is more important. Silence is Golden.
Most of my friends are either christians or some version of an atheist. I still have normal day to day conversations with them and still can talk and have fun with them. Don't isolate yourself just because they are not at the same level as you. Humans are social and need communication.
Depending on what you mean by "intellectual" topics, if you act a certain way, you will attract certain people. If you act like an idiot, then you will attract idiots, vice versa.
Cleaning, empowering and programming your aura to attract certain people also works well.
You should find other intellectuals where such people gather to meet people who are "on your level" regarding topics you are interested in.
Henu the Great wrote:View source You should find other intellectuals where such people gather to meet people who are "on your level" regarding topics you are interested in.
I have one place for sure: demonicarmy.com/invite/SQGR0Cbr
Come and socialize with Zevists.
And like Helleniser said, you should try to find some subject with normies too. Its part of the Path. Imagine when Zevism will be the only religion and normies asking question to learn, you will have to speak to them.
I am like you but I've been better at it in the last couple of months. You only need to dive in it.
Not all friendships are deep unions, where lives and paths conjoin. Those are "true" friendships, yes, but one only really gets to have a few of those.
"Regular" friendships are needed for a healthy life. People you share a hobby with, healthy relationships with co-workers, clubs you may go to, education and further studies (there's nothing wrong with going to seminaries, book clubs or other "intellectual" endeavors even if one is 30 and out of college), friends you go hit on girls with if you're single, friends to share a beer with or watch a movie with.
This is necessary for grounding. Don't ignore any of your chart's houses, so to say.
It's important to have people to both have serious conversations and light-hearted banter. We're all humans after all.
Finding the right people requires a lot of searching, weeding the wheat from the chaff. The effort you have to put is not something that should prompt you to give up. Effort is what makes things valuable. Things that are acquired easily are also lost easily because they hold little to no value.
Isolating may do you more harm than good, depending on what stage of life you're in and your birth chart.
Check your birth chart:
Where's the hemisphere emphasis?
What element is dominant, what are weak, what are strong? Any lacking?
What signs on the cusp of your 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 11th? What planets inside? What are the rulers and where they are? Any aspects to those rulers?
What's your rising sign? Where's your chart ruler? Any aspects to it?
Any stellium? If yes, what is it, what's the ruler, what planets are involved, what aspects?
Where's your Moon?
All this information is not for us to know. It's to give you insight on yourself, your communication style, how you have fun, what people you attract socially, etc. You can find your strengths and weaknesses there, so you can work on them. Any self-delusions as well, as the chart doesn't lie about who you are. Knowing it will give you the most self-awareness and a starting point for you to work with.
If there's any affliction in regards to the social environment you will find it and you can correct it through planetary squares and other spiritual means. You also will know what environments are the most fertile ground for you to find the best people socially. Not to mention, you'll find out how much alone time and how much social time you need, which is important in finding the right balance.
I hope my reply helps.
Stormblood wrote:View source It's important to have people to both have serious conversations and light-hearted banter. We're all humans after all.
Finding the right people requires a lot of searching, weeding the wheat from the chaff. The effort you have to put is not something that should prompt you to give up. Effort is what makes things valuable. Things that are acquired easily are also lost easily because they hold little to no value.
Isolating may do you more harm than good, depending on what stage of life you're in and your birth chart.
Check your birth chart:
Where's the hemisphere emphasis?
What element is dominant, what are weak, what are strong? Any lacking?
What signs on the cusp of your 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 11th? What planets inside? What are the rulers and where they are? Any aspects to those rulers?
What's your rising sign? Where's your chart ruler? Any aspects to it?
Any stellium? If yes, what is it, what's the ruler, what planets are involved, what aspects?
Where's your Moon?
All this information is not for us to know. It's to give you insight on yourself, your communication style, how you have fun, what people you attract socially, etc. You can find your strengths and weaknesses there, so you can work on them. Any self-delusions as well, as the chart doesn't lie about who you are. Knowing it will give you the most self-awareness and a starting point for you to work with.
If there's any affliction in regards to the social environment you will find it and you can correct it through planetary squares and other spiritual means. You also will know what environments are the most fertile ground for you to find the best people socially. Not to mention, you'll find out how much alone time and how much social time you need, which is important in finding the right balance.
I hope my reply helps.
Thing is, my chart is of a very social (but introverted) person. I am just so dogshit at fitting in with people of this civilisation. I would fit right in on a place like Lemuria/Atlantis or the Ancient Civilisations, I'm pretty sure my past life was something like that. Which is why the contradiction, I just don't belong here. And I don't like these people.
I feel like I have to constantly censor myself in a way that is basically self-harm to my psyche. I'm not good at lying.
I want badly to be social, but only with high IQ, or artistic people, and good souls. I just don't care that much about anyone else except of basic courtesy/politeness.
My CR is Venus Virgo 11th, and heavy Aquarius Libra Sagittarius emphasis on houses/planets u mentioned. Maybe I am too picky, but idk. I think it's good to have standards. Do u think this is unwise/stupid? Will Venus Square fix this?
I looked at the stuff you mentioned, and it just seems I can basically only exist in permanent higher education environment lifelong in the sciences/arts/occult, but i dropped out before high school so i dont have qualifications to enter University
AskSatanOperator wrote:View source Should I just always avoid normies whenever possible, or try to get to know them. Is there really any point?
I only want to talk about intellectual topics, but my self-esteem takes a hit when I try to talk on their level of nonsense and I am inevitably rejected.
Is it okay to just avoid them? Or should I still try? Idk.
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My advice is not to be prejudiced. I used to have that sense of being on a different wavelength from others, and thinking I could only have satisfying conversations with certain kinds of people.
But I have since learned that everybody has something to offer, they all bring something unique to the table, and the enjoyment of getting to know a unique being with a unique perspective and experience far outweighed the enjoyment of dry intellectual discussion for me.
Actually, I don't much care for discussing intellectual things anymore, as I feel confident enough to find my own answers and accept differences with others.
I simply want to experience the personalities of others and see life in different ways, see how life is experienced through their story. I realized that the people are far more important and meaningful to me than the ideas.
The most enjoyable interactions I've had were with people who, though they may not be "geniuses", they have lived a full life and have experiences and wisdom to share.
AskSatanOperator wrote:View source Should I just always avoid normies whenever possible, or try to get to know them. Is there really any point?
I only want to talk about intellectual topics, but my self-esteem takes a hit when I try to talk on their level of nonsense and I am inevitably rejected.
Is it okay to just avoid them? Or should I still try? Idk.
Fear of dating with new people and low self-esteem are the result of a weakened Solar Chakra.
I recommend cleansing and strengthening the solar chakra daily.
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AskSatanOperator wrote:View source Thing is, my chart is of a very social (but introverted) person. I am just so dogshit at fitting in with people of this civilisation. I would fit right in on a place like Lemuria/Atlantis or the Ancient Civilisations, I'm pretty sure my past life was something like that. Which is why the contradiction, I just don't belong here. And I don't like these people.
I feel like I have to constantly censor myself in a way that is basically self-harm to my psyche. I'm not good at lying.
I want badly to be social, but only with high IQ, or artistic people, and good souls. I just don't care that much about anyone else except of basic courtesy/politeness.
My CR is Venus Virgo 11th, and heavy Aquarius Libra Sagittarius emphasis on houses/planets u mentioned. Maybe I am too picky, but idk. I think it's good to have standards. Do u think this is unwise/stupid? Will Venus Square fix this?
I looked at the stuff you mentioned, and it just seems I can basically only exist in permanent higher education environment lifelong in the sciences/arts/occult, but i dropped out before high school so i dont have qualifications to enter University
It's perfectly healthy to want social contact and limiting it only to the right souls. It's a perfectly normal standard for higher-minded people. It's not unwise. Neither it is stupid. You're not being too picky.
You also don't need formal qualification to keep learning and educating yourself on specific topics, and you can find people who are interested in that by looking for groups both online and offline where those topics are discussed such as on here, on MeetUp and surely any directory online that you can find for offline groups that relate to your interests and preferred environment. You can also always go back to formal education any time if you feel the need to, and the circumstances are right.
Working on your solar plexus chakra, middle chakra, and throat chakra will be beneficial, both in purification and in empowerment.
Mercury can help with bring intellectual people as friends if you use the spiritual square to empower your 11th house, or any of the 2 squares to attract the right people. The material square acts on your environment, the spiritual on your self. Venus definitely can help in general, and it can also help with specific houses depending on what it rules in your chart and where it's placed. Jupiter and Sun help with blessing any area of life, any house in your chart.
For dating, you can use Venus, or your 5th house ruler.
Once you have the right people, you can understand better the dynamics of who you can share with, who you need to censor with, and how much you need to censor yourself. I understand the struggle of not having a confidante you can speak about anything with, and how it can make it difficult for you. In some cases, even talking therapy can help you have an outlet, as long as you still keep occult topics to yourself as the therapist may not understand them and it may be dangerous for you to reveal.
I often ask myself the same thing, but I come to accept the fact that quality comes before quantity.
When you desire friendship, you must be aware that it is very hard to find what you would call a true friend - someone who you can trust and be open with, especially if you are not someone who is programmed to think like the majority.
I have about six people whom I call friends and who are very intelligent people that truly offer something to a conversation, we engage in philosophical conversations, and even though about three/four of them are Christians and one is a Muslim, they are not heavily into the program as such I do not have any problems conversating even about philosophical/spiritual matters with which they often agreed, but I do it in a clever and subtle way so that the information is passed without being way to open.
However, what is puzzling and bit difficult for me is the question of romance and the possibility of finding a partner with whom I might live together and still uphold my beliefs, especially considering that there is a possibility for a conflict in terms of convictions, and the fact that most women here either follow Christianity or Islam in a pious manner.
I doubt a Pythagorean would ever spare 2 words for the majority of today, outside of work circumstances. You don't lower yourself to the level of a child just to have so-called "friendship". Friendship can only come from someone who's at about the same level as you. The more distant you are, the more alienated you'll feel from each other. From people who are much below in ethics and understanding, it's like trying to make friends with a toddler. Can you? No, because the toddler is looking for playmates, not friends.
It's very similar to what the majority does today outside of work: they only play by themselves and with each other. A whole life revolving around play. Videogames, clubbing, pubs, doomscrolling, porn, hypersexuality... Someone who only engages with that outside of work is just at the same level of maturity of a toddler or a teenager.
There are some people who are beyond that and have a more balanced private and social life. Those are the people to focus on. Then there are people in-between, like a late teen trying to grow into a real adult.
Then there's small minority for which entertainment and productivity completely overlap. Not because they work in the entertainment industry but because their souls have reached that level of maturity. This excludes those new wealthy and business people who are only producing as a measure of their own ego, so they can fund a lavish lifestyle with the same level pointlessness as those who live their lives in function of play, but on steroids because they have finances backing them up. They're still children or teenagers, but with a better capability to generate wealth.
It's important to understand that it's okay for other people to live their lives at their own level of growth. Just because someone is in the next or a later stage, it doesn't mean those people should be undermined, nor should they be forced to grow. They have their own path to follow. Maybe they reach new levels of maturity in this life, maybe in the next or another life. It's up to them. You can guide them if they ask for it, but that's about it.
Souls aren't equal, nor worth the same. Find some at or around your level. For true friendship, and for love matters. ToZ provides all the tools to do that. There are also other bonds that are not friendship nor love, and don't require others to be at any specific level. Just remember that just because someone doesn't wear a ToZ tattoo or hasn't reached us yet, it doesn't mean they're necessarily bad or lower people. Normies come in all shapes and forms, at any stage.
For OP specifically, what makes you think you'd fit in Lemuria / Atlantis? We have no specific knowledge how life and people were back then. You'd need to speak to the Gods or see things with your psychic abilities to ascertain that. But it's a futile exercise if you're approaching that knowledge from the point of view of "Would I fit in there?". The past is the past. It has nothing to do with your present. Thinking that you only would fit in a past era only works to create hangups for you to fit in with people who are available NOW.
I would like to suggest reading: https://templeofzeus.org/Apollo_virtue_1.phpExternal ↗
AskSatanOperator wrote:View source Should I just always avoid normies whenever possible, or try to get to know them. Is there really any point?
I only want to talk about intellectual topics, but my self-esteem takes a hit when I try to talk on their level of nonsense and I am inevitably rejected.
Is it okay to just avoid them? Or should I still try? Idk.
What I don't think is touched on enough is the amount of fakeness you meet from people than most member actually speak about but don't put in the right words for others to understand.
From the less well informed you have obvious historical/cultural imprints which have nothing to do with Satya, and you dislike them for it, or you have someone whom is self lying and this reject Satya, and you dislike them for it.
What you need is enough self respect to talk to others but on terms that are fair in laws and justice with the Gods as well as you can do. When you falter you learn and move on; if you feel you need amends than fine but being over consumed with guilt led to Aum becoming amen in Culture as an emotional weakness. In confronting this we cross our hearts in protection.
I have exactly the same problem; it makes me hate people, and then I feel guilty for hating them 🤦🏻
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