Question #1205: I know it's something we ( women ) decided. but...

[AskSatanOperator]

Some days ago I heard a man saying that he should also be part of his wife's abortion decision ( if she does it or not ) because it also affects him like where ? which parts ? because the woman does all the work alone for 9 months.
( I realized that many men share this same opinion) I am not trying to be rude, I just would like to know because I am a woman and it literally makes no sense to me.

 

[Weasel]

Hello, it has been talked here:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48908&p=215173&hilit=abortion#p215173

Even so I believe men should have a say in the matter too because it's his child too because if the women have all the say in the matter then men should have all the say in the matter of child support.

 

[Masterj810610]

Some days ago I heard a man saying that he should also be part of his wife's abortion decision ( if she does it or not ) because it also affects him like where ? which parts ? because the woman does all the work alone for 9 months.
( I realized that many men share this same opinion) I am not trying to be rude, I just would like to know because I am a woman and it literally makes no sense to me.

So a man, which wants to raise a family, can't get in a discusion with his partner about the termination of his child,s life?

I understand that only the woman get to carry the child (why women don't see this as a beautiful privilege, it doesn't make sense to me), at the same time, most women complaints about the father not participating enough in their child's life.

All this is part of the jewish propaganda to destroy the family.

Your body, your choice at the end, but what about the life that you create?

 

[Henu the Great]

It would make sense to be decided by the woman only if the man is not around. Ideally, man does support and provides to the family so it makes sense that the decision is by both parties.

 

[HPS Lydia]

The decision is up to the women, HOWEVER, a couple should talk about this. If a man wants children, then don't marry a woman who is not set on having kids. Open communication, and realizing the jewish agenda is not right.

If a woman gets pregnant, then the man should talk to the woman about it, try to convince her it's good to have kids. Show her you are set on staying around. Propose if you are not already married, talk about getting a house, start making the plans for everything. Talk about what a blessing it would be to have a family, get her excited and enthusiastic about it. Show her you are serious about this.

The reason why a lot of women don't want kids is because of jewish propaganda everywhere. So, we need to replace that with healthy truth.

So to answer the OP, men want the decision because they want to be involved in the choice of having kids or not. It's the same for men who convince women to have an abortion, it goes both sides. They want to be able to convince the woman to have a family, or have another kid, or to not. This is normal, men want a say in their own life and what happens. Everyone wants to decide on their life, yet life doesn't always work out that way.

 

[Missrainbow]

Some days ago I heard a man saying that he should also be part of his wife's abortion decision ( if she does it or not ) because it also affects him like where ? which parts ? because the woman does all the work alone for 9 months.
( I realized that many men share this same opinion) I am not trying to be rude, I just would like to know because I am a woman and it literally makes no sense to me.

As much as I hate criticizing anything about women because I am almost a woman myself but here is what I think about this:

It is very complicated.
I read in Satanic beliefs abortion in general is allowed before 3 months and it is up to you to keep the baby or not.After 3 months you should get abortion if the child is of rape,or is disabled badly or when carrying a pregnancy is dangerous for you.(race mixing and...)

But in marriage none gets to make decisions alone.
The marriage will never last like that.
Marriage is more than a person's rights and decisions and it requires sacrifice for everyone envolved.

If a married woman believes she should be the only one making decisions about everything related to her body that is Ok but then she cant complain or get mad when her husband chooses to sleep with other women or get other women pregnant.Because it is His body and His choice.Also you cant complain when he decides not to help you with his money at all because he decides on his belongings.

Your marriage will be completely destroyed if you do anything you want to do without giving a shit about other people's feelings and emotions.

Also if your spouse decides to kill himself you will not say it is his body and his choice,you will stop him.
Abortion is really harmful to your body and it increases the risk of disability in your future babies and your own death during childbirth because we are not evolved in science and technology.Your spouse has a right to be worried about these issues.

People should reach an agreement in relationships.

Still your right is preserved.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Because it is the man's child that is being killed, and he wants his child to live. For a parent, a child dying is the most horrible thing that could ever happen. Of course this is his business.


She is doing all of the work alone for 9 months? Where is her husband? He is supposed to be helping her and taking care of her. The woman takes care of the baby, and the man protects and provides for the woman. Both are necessary.

 

[HPS Lydia]

She is doing all of the work alone for 9 months? Where is her husband? He is supposed to be helping her and taking care of her. The woman takes care of the baby, and the man protects and provides for the woman. Both are necessary.

A lot of men don't do enough to help though. A heavily pregnant woman can't physically do laundry, or cook (they can't even reach because of the stomach, depends on how the woman grows though, some can still do all that stuff but many cannot). And the man even needs to shave the woman's legs for her. Every pregnant woman I know and am related to, their husband had to shave her legs during the last few months of pregnancy. Many people don't understand the depth of the need for help, the actual daily responsibilities.

Most men these days would rather play video games. There are woman who endanger themselves and the baby while pregnant from doing too much housework because the man does not help, or does not make enough money to hire help during that time.

The problem is society. Many things need to change.

 

[nebu]

Because it is the man's child that is being killed, and he wants his child to live. For a parent, a child dying is the most horrible thing that could ever happen. Of course this is his business.


She is doing all of the work alone for 9 months? Where is her husband? He is supposed to be helping her and taking care of her. The woman takes care of the baby, and the man protects and provides for the woman. Both are necessary.

wow.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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A lot of men don't do enough to help though. A heavily pregnant woman can't physically do laundry, or cook (they can't even reach because of the stomach, depends on how the woman grows though, some can still do all that stuff but many cannot). And the man even needs to shave the woman's legs for her. Every pregnant woman I know and am related to, their husband had to shave her legs during the last few months of pregnancy. Many people don't understand the depth of the need for help, the actual daily responsibilities.

Most men these days would rather play video games. There are woman who endanger themselves and the baby while pregnant from doing too much housework because the man does not help, or does not make enough money to hire help during that time.

The problem is society. Many things need to change.

It is horrible and discusting how worthless so many of our people have become. So many men and women who have depressed and empty lives and do nothing good for the world, or they do crimes against themselves and others.

Any man who is so worthless that he would not help his pregnant wife should never have the opportunity to get anybody pregnant. It is so disgusting how low so many people's standards have gotten. I think this is part of the depression that so many people have. People who are injured physically, mentally, and emotionally do not know how much value they have, so they choose to be with people who have even less value. This is not at all natural and has never happened in any large amounts before recent times but there is so much availability of resources that many people do not need to have any effort to achieve anything. All men used to have to work to create everything they have, and this gave them patience and a mindset of doing whatever is necessary. There are many jobs which needed to be done and nobody else is going to do them, so the man and woman had to work together and each do the jobs that they are good at. Many of these jobs were not comfortable or fun, but they had to be done. Now we have so many people who have always had resources given to them just because we have such a surplus of resources that it is easy to get them, that there are many people who have never had to work as hard as we used to. They are able to live and survive now while being lazy or worthless which was never possible until recently. So they never got the lesson of doing what is necessary.

Look at the Great Depression or any other time when life was difficult in this way. There were people living in little sheds they built from garbage and scrap materials, and with very little money. But they still had large families with sometimes 10 children, and they made it work. They had things like gardens and chickens for eggs every day, and did small jobs to get money for more food. And they made it work. Now we have people in nice houses with all the food they could ever eat, heat and refrigeration, electricity, and any other resource they could want. They have enough resources to raise 20 children but they never have any. Because a child is an enormous amount of work, and people who have never had to do any work are very afraid of this.



Choose people who are strong and healthy in all ways in the soul, in the body, in the mind, and in their actions toward helping other people and the world. Most people are not perfect, and somebody could be helped to become perfect if there are small problems. But that is not an excuse to choose somebody who is a very low quality. Don't compromise and don't drop your standards.

 

[Edward Lonsa]

Some days ago I heard a man saying that he should also be part of his wife's abortion decision ( if she does it or not ) because it also affects him like where ? which parts ? because the woman does all the work alone for 9 months.
( I realized that many men share this same opinion) I am not trying to be rude, I just would like to know because I am a woman and it literally makes no sense to me.

We realize that it is your human right and your only decision and some of us KNOW what is physical pain and respect it. You were created for this to be the only lord of this. As well as we were created to be the only lords of war. We are NOT pregnant, you are. Also we understand that financial help is not "that job" (let alone you do it too anyway), childbirth is. As well as we understand that it is your war where you can die and a lot of unknown heroes died in worst sufferings.

What YOU fail to understand is that not all men are mentally mature to fully realize not only this, but even THEIR OWN Nature which created them for fight and battle. And it is YOU who must choose the right man who knows what he wants, not an mgtow forever whining piece of filth who only knows how to mess into other sex' business (then complain that he is asked to write in blood-donor papers that he is not pregnant - wonder why after such his advances).

It is your natural genetic role to choose the right male, not the wrong and immature one. You are the queen of the nation and your choice decides the next generation.

In my country men do not "ask" woman to get pregnant. They DESERVE her doing it for them .

why women don't see this as a beautiful privilege, it doesn't make sense to me

Ok, just go imagine you are doing harakiri for 9 months then burning your inside alive for several days or hours in the end of 9th month and then all life destroyed: no desired career, no desired lifestyle only craziest pain, pain and pain (I mean physical one) for years with no single penny, no single word, no even "hello" from "that boy". Just hardest work, out of the house, around the house, wherever. With no love, no gratitude, only reading in your ex-husband's beloved mgtow forum "why don't they consider this a privilege?". Then imagine after your life Satan asks you: ok do you want to be born a woman as a reward for your spiritual warfare? It's such a great privilege, isn't it?

So is it a privilege? Yes it is. As much as for us to be blown to pieces at sacred war. And it should be honored as such.

(Women, the above is because kikes destroyed Ancient medicine. You CAN have normal life, if you apply Ancient teachings and meditation lead you to them.)

As I said somewhere else, you can't give both sexes the equal right to abortion because if they agree, then they both have this right, if disagree then only one can apply it anyway. You can't abort and not abort in the same time. Nature did not give us "equal rights" in anything, she is not democratic.

I think that in civilized world the issue of "your wife not wanting your kids" is peacefully solved by just choosing the compatible person with compatible views for yourself.

 

[Edward Lonsa]

I wish to relate some very sad thing here.

Nature did not create us "equal" in any way or form. She gave males extreme physical power because according her opinion they must fight all the time to prove themselves. Nature does not care that as a result man can do whatever to his woman. He also can just abandon her with children without any help. He can do it physically because Nature created them with physical body to do it freely. Mother also can abandon her kids, i.e. Nature did not give equal rights to mother and children as well. This is reality.

And abortion is also such a reality. Mother has a right on child's life according Nature you want it or not. The reason for this is diseased or in some way "wrong" child.

To be humans and to act like humans is our own problem and study to be done. Nature does not care. If we prefer to be kikes and to use our rights like kikes, then it is up to us.

A for this xian wet dream to abolish abortion...

When I was a child, I saw a TV program about woman who gave birth to a sick daughter. This girl is still before my eyes. She had her skin fall down of her all the time and she had to live her life bandaged and her mother had to bandage her every 30 minutes. All her life. Because there was no abortion or euthanasia in that village.

Dislike abortion? Ask Nature to not have sick and dead kids born, ask Nature for kids to not die in women's wombs, ask Nature to not have rape kids, ask Nature to not have womb tumors from which both mother and child die long tormenting death in childbirth. Euthanasia and abortion exist for a reason. If you dislike abortion, why won't you abolish sick children born? Why won't you abolish uterine cancer? These things exist. That's why abortion exists too.

Other side of this is that it is not enough to "have" the right, in order to apply it you have to learn how to use it properly.

There are herbs for abortion and birth control and Nature considers that it is our responsibility to learn them and know how to use them properly, if we want to apply this right.

 

[Masterj810610]

9 month of harakiri? Do you have children? If yes, did your wife was in pain for 9 months? If yes, why didn't she went to see a doctor?

No more life? What do you mean by life? Going out with your friend to party? Making a trip?

The women with whom I have work in the last 15 years have all been able to work again. I don't know where you live, but here women get 70% of their paycheck for 25 weeks then 55% for the 27 weeks. Some companies pay the rest of the salary for their employees for the 52 weeks and some add 2-3 more weeks.

 

[OmenOfShadows]

genes.
he has the right to not reproduce his genes if he chooses not to. some people just use these newfound gene banks.. and boom they can find daddy threw it. it complicates things, if daddy fights against the jewish backgound government.

thats the big thing i can name that men should
have a say in. but the other way around? like saving the baby... they have no right to ask that. a women can die in a pregnancy. every single one if them carries the possibility. like you cannot force people to go threw a routine surgery just for fun....

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

genes.
he has the right to not reproduce his genes if he chooses not to. some people just use these newfound gene banks.. and boom they can find daddy threw it. it complicates things, if daddy fights against the jewish backgound government.

thats the big thing i can name that men should
have a say in. but the other way around? like saving the baby... they have no right to ask that. a women can die in a pregnancy. every single one if them carries the possibility. like you cannot force people to go threw a routine surgery just for fun....

She decided to have sex which has the very high chance of pregnancy and having a baby. If you don't want a baby, make different choices.

If the man doesn't want a baby, then he shouldn't get her pregnant. If he makes that choice then he gets that result.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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You can talk all you want about those bad medical situations. But that says nothing about the 99.99% of abortions which have zero medical necessity and are only done because the mother does not want to take care of a baby.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

no single word, no even "hello" from "that boy". Just hardest work, out of the house, around the house, wherever. With no love, no gratitude, only reading in your ex-husband's beloved mgtow forum "why don't they consider this a privilege?".

Don't choose to have sex with a worthless and extremely low quality man, and then the child's father will not be a worthless and low quality man. It is that simple. A woman having no standards and letting every worthless low quality man have sex with her will receive the situation you describe because that is her choice. If you have sex with some failure loser who won't even talk to you and he gets you pregnant, that is what you get for making such a bad choice.

A woman who chooses a very high quality man will be in the exact opposite situation, and she will always have him to help her and take care of her and the child in all ways.

 

[ba666 2.0]

genes.
he has the right to not reproduce his genes if he chooses not to. some people just use these newfound gene banks.. and boom they can find daddy threw it. it complicates things, if daddy fights against the jewish backgound government.

thats the big thing i can name that men should
have a say in. but the other way around? like saving the baby... they have no right to ask that. a women can die in a pregnancy. every single one if them carries the possibility. like you cannot force people to go threw a routine surgery just for fun....

She decided to have sex which has the very high chance of pregnancy and having a baby. If you don't want a baby, make different choices.

If the man doesn't want a baby, then he shouldn't get her pregnant. If he makes that choice then he gets that result.

Hello, wouldn't that be "forcing" someone not to have sex just because they might get pregnant? since we don't want children, we shouldn't have sex? And not every contraceptive method is 100%, and I think the person can have the best quality of life possible, not everyone was born to be a mother or father.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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I'm not forcing anybody for anything. It's people being accountable for their own actions, which is a lesson that even 5 year old children understand. If you choose to do something, you get whatever result comes from that. And you can't blame anybody except yourself if you are not happy with the results of your own actions because you are the one who did it.

Sex has a very high chance of creating a child. If you do this, you may end up having a child. If you do not want a child, you are not able to blame anybody except yourself because you made the choice to do an action which may create a child.

This is one example of why it is extremely important to never have sex with any low quality person and only choose a very high quality person. High quality physically, mentally, and in all other ways. Do not compromise and do not settle for anything lower. The physical health needs to be strong both so that the child does not have health problems, and also that the parent will be strong enough to take good care of the child. Because if a parent has any sicknesses or weaknesses, it is likely that the child will also have these. The parent also has to be strong mentally to be a good parent to be smart enough to know what to do, to know how to teach good lessons for the child, and also because the child will inherit the improved intelligence.

Even if there is no child, the idea of sex with a low quality person is absolutely disgusting. You are connecting together your souls and taking things from each other, and you are taking these problems into yourself. If it is a very sick, weak, or stupid person, you are taking sickness, weakness, and stupidity into yourself and damaging your body and soul. If the person is very low quality, this is like drinking sewage.

If you choose only a very high quality partner, this is also ensuring that you are choosing somebody who will be a very high quality parent. And you will never have any problem of this parent not being good enough in any way. It is also true that for a first child, almost nobody feels ready for this or thinks that they are ready. Everybody is nervous and worried, and might be afraid enough that they wish there was no child. But all of this fear goes away once the child is born, and this child becomes the most important thing in the world to the parents.

 

[ba666 2.0]

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I'm not forcing anybody for anything. It's people being accountable for their own actions, which is a lesson that even 5 year old children understand. If you choose to do something, you get whatever result comes from that. And you can't blame anybody except yourself if you are not happy with the results of your own actions because you are the one who did it.

Sex has a very high chance of creating a child. If you do this, you may end up having a child. If you do not want a child, you are not able to blame anybody except yourself because you made the choice to do an action which may create a child.

This is one example of why it is extremely important to never have sex with any low quality person and only choose a very high quality person. High quality physically, mentally, and in all other ways. Do not compromise and do not settle for anything lower. The physical health needs to be strong both so that the child does not have health problems, and also that the parent will be strong enough to take good care of the child. Because if a parent has any sicknesses or weaknesses, it is likely that the child will also have these. The parent also has to be strong mentally to be a good parent to be smart enough to know what to do, to know how to teach good lessons for the child, and also because the child will inherit the improved intelligence.

Even if there is no child, the idea of sex with a low quality person is absolutely disgusting. You are connecting together your souls and taking things from each other, and you are taking these problems into yourself. If it is a very sick, weak, or stupid person, you are taking sickness, weakness, and stupidity into yourself and damaging your body and soul. If the person is very low quality, this is like drinking sewage.

If you choose only a very high quality partner, this is also ensuring that you are choosing somebody who will be a very high quality parent. And you will never have any problem of this parent not being good enough in any way. It is also true that for a first child, almost nobody feels ready for this or thinks that they are ready. Everybody is nervous and worried, and might be afraid enough that they wish there was no child. But all of this fear goes away once the child is born, and this child becomes the most important thing in the world to the parents.

I agree with the part about choosing the right partner. But this opinion " only have sex if you want to have children " makes no sense, and you are forced to have the child because the birth control method failed or something, sometimes people just want to have sex.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

But this opinion " only have sex if you want to have children " makes no sense, and you are forced to have the child because the birth control method failed or something, sometimes people just want to have sex.

This is not an opinion, and it is not what I am telling people to do. It is basic reality about the situation and basic consequences for your actions. Cause and effect. Like if you drop something heavy onto your foot, your foot will end up hurting. It is just as simple as this.

If you think you don't want a child, use contraception. Some of these very highly reduce the likelyhood of pregnancy. But know that the chance of pregnancy is never down to zero, and there is a small chance that you might have a child. And just know that you are agreeing to this chance and it is something you need to be ready for. And make sure whoever your partner is is somebody who would make a good parent together with yourself, in case that this does happen.

 

[Karnonnos]

I just want to say that in the Twelve Tables of Ancient Rome the decision whether to keep a defective child or not is given to the father and actually is a duty of the father to enforce on behalf of his duties to the state.

Men are also the Sun, NOT just Mars.

 

[HPS Lydia]

I just want to say that in the Twelve Tables of Ancient Rome the decision whether to keep a defective child or not is given to the father and actually is a duty of the father to enforce on behalf of his duties to the state.

Men are also the Sun, NOT just Mars.

This is probably because most mothers will love her child "no matter what" and not be in a good logical state after all she went through (pregnancy, childbirth, hormones during pregnancy, oxytocin release after childbirth, the time it takes to recover the body afterwards), so she doesn't want it to be all for nothing.

So this is good, to give the father the decision, as he did not go through all that, so he is able to stay rational and realize that a handicapped child won't be productive to society. The duty to the state is to produce healthy children who will contribute, not handicapped people who will only take.

 

[Shadowcat]

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I just want to say that in the Twelve Tables of Ancient Rome the decision whether to keep a defective child or not is given to the father and actually is a duty of the father to enforce on behalf of his duties to the state.

Men are also the Sun, NOT just Mars.

This is probably because most mothers will love her child "no matter what" and not be in a good logical state after all she went through (pregnancy, childbirth, hormones during pregnancy, oxytocin release after childbirth, the time it takes to recover the body afterwards), so she doesn't want it to be all for nothing.

So this is good, to give the father the decision, as he did not go through all that, so he is able to stay rational and realize that a handicapped child won't be productive to society. The duty to the state is to produce healthy children who will contribute, not handicapped people who will only take.

As it should be, with proper eugenics in practice. Women are generally more emotional by nature as a rule and especially if they are not mature or self-aware enough will let that rule to the expense of all logic. Most people do not know how to balance their masculine and feminine aspects as it is and usually always try to suppress or ignore the other. Look at the immigration problem in the EU. This is very largely supported by a muh emotions arguement that women also contribute a great deal to out of brainwashing. Their natural nurturing tendencies are being turned against them pathologically to the expense of their own race by making it a point to mate with other races and screaming for them to ravage their villages and homes. It is no surprise that in the case of a defective child they would have such a reaction, also very hormonally based as stated.

Coming back to the topic of eugenics, it is also cruel to allow such a person to live a life that is essentially no life at all, on top of being a burden. Ultimately at best, I am hoping for ways to be manifested to allow them to be healed down to the most basic genetic level perhaps even before birth if indications can show anything, that they may be born or made by healing, as healthy normal people. As humanity progresses and gets closer to the Gods and evolves higher spiritually many of these things will eventually stop being problems altogether.

 

[Karnonnos]

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I just want to say that in the Twelve Tables of Ancient Rome the decision whether to keep a defective child or not is given to the father and actually is a duty of the father to enforce on behalf of his duties to the state.

Men are also the Sun, NOT just Mars.

This is probably because most mothers will love her child "no matter what" and not be in a good logical state after all she went through (pregnancy, childbirth, hormones during pregnancy, oxytocin release after childbirth, the time it takes to recover the body afterwards), so she doesn't want it to be all for nothing.

So this is good, to give the father the decision, as he did not go through all that, so he is able to stay rational and realize that a handicapped child won't be productive to society. The duty to the state is to produce healthy children who will contribute, not handicapped people who will only take.

Yes, you put it exactly in words what I was getting at. Although, obviously, many women are logical about this (at least in places like Iceland or NS Germany) and I have definitely heard of hysterical male xians dragging women off to court to force them to give birth to a Downs child :roll:

As far as abortion is concerned I think Rome did leave this more to the mother if gynaecology books are to be believed. But once the baby was out, the (married, citizen) father's input took more precedence.

The role of the father, the Solar and Saturnine energy, is very important. Obviously many men across aeons can and will die due to war, that's life and part of the Spartan nature of being male, but a society cannot allow things to go to the level of what plagues the Black Americans or White British in fatherlessness levels. This causes a tipping point of society where children have no input with masculine role models and the state has to do everything. Plus the 'war' being engaged with here is gang bullshit, drugs, deadbeat behavior, puer aeternus idiocy on behalf of the father, or the mothers being low quality retrogrades and manipulative themselves. It leads us all back to the tribal pattern and chaos.

 

[Edward Lonsa]

The other problem I see in this is men somehow think that if someone in their mgtow jewbook told them they have "man's rights" to become fathers and have kids, how the fuck it gives them right to force impregnate someone, destroy lives of others, who preferred life given to profession or to other things but having children, force someone into unbearable pain of what will not even make them happy in the end, kill sick women for children (those who physically can't do it), forcing them do it "only for the husband because he needs his human rights"?

You having your human rights means that you can go find appropriate partner for yourself who also wants these kids and the state gives you right to have them if you both want to. This is what your right is all about. It is not about force impregnating other people who also have their human rights to live their life as they want.

When woman asks to stay a professional hermit and not to be forced into unwanted pregnancy what you tell her? Just go find yourself someone appropriate for yourself. Why not apply the same logic for yourself and not find someone appropriate instead of brainwashing people whose conscious free choice was not to have kids and to dedicate their life to something else, embedding guilt into them with "muh child murder" etc. Why not just choose someone who is looking for man exactly to have kids ?

Let's being honest, having sex with the one who told you she does NOT want or can't survive childbirth, make her pregnant then whine "muh child murder" or "muh my human rights" - aren't you yourself child murderer asking someone you know does not want or can't have kids to grant you kids? Aren't you yourself throwing your human rights into pit when having sex with known admitted hermit/infertile? Rights demand that you take responsibility and care to apply them.

I simply don't want to be raised by a mother who does not want me and made me at all only for someone else. I don't want to be an unwanted guest in her house. I prefer to be loved and wanted by parents that's why I protect their freedom.

There are as many women as men who prefer hermit profession-orientated life 24/7 spend in their laboratory, presidential office, musical instrument etc and who still would appreciate a partner for platonic love. Platonic love is as legit as procreative family. JoS does not attack these people, they build our civilization so that you and your so many kids could enjoy great art, advanced technology and live in luxury.

don't know where you live, but here women get 70% of their paycheck for 25 weeks then 55% for the 27 weeks. Some companies pay the rest of the salary for their employees for the 52 weeks and some add 2-3 more weeks.

Guess what? Fight for your fairyland you live in. Because if savages come and crack it, it will not be the case anymore.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

force impregnate someone

Not a single person here has ever said any of these insane things you have imagined. So I don't know why you are accusing all of us of these things. There is nobody here supporting rape so why even imagine that?

If you wonder my opinion about rape, I think it deserves the death penalty. Preferably prevented by death penalty before it is able to happen. I strongly believe that nearly all women should have a firearm, and have the practice to be comfortable and good at using it. If somebody tries to rape you, kill him. I say nearly all women and not all women only because a very small percentage are violent criminals, drug addicts, and similar people who would not be trusted with a gun.

And why do you keep ignoring everything that I and other people have been saying about selecting a very high quality person? All you keep talking about are horrible people, human garbage. They are irrelevant as they do not deserve any meaningful position in society. And they do not deserve any woman, unless maybe she is equally as horrible and low quality as himself. And if you will again make up an example about what if this horrible man is a rapist, you already know my answer. Kill him before he is able to rape anybody.

 

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And I never once said that anybody should be forced to have children, or that everybody should have any children. There are hundreds of millions of low quality people who would not be good parents. I never once even said that I want anybody to have a child.

All I have ever said is for people to have a basic level of self responsibility and to think just a few moments into the future about the effects of their actions. Literally nothing more than the mindset that the average well behaved 3 year old child has. I will not do this action, because then there will be a result that I don't like. Like a 3 year old child knowing I will not break this rule because I don't want to get in trouble. Which if anybody has less mental development than this, I don't know what they are even doing here.



Two people both decide and agree to have sex together. Both of them are fully aware that this might result with a child. Use contraception, because that highly reduces the chance of having a child. But they are still aware that the chance is not zero, and there is a small chance they still could end up with a child. Both of these people have this knowledge, they both understand what these chances are. If they decide to still do this, they both are agreeing to this risk. And they have nobody to blame except themselves if they end up with a result that they did not want because they both agreed to the chances that it could happen.

If you are really extremely determined to never have a child, then don't participate. Do something else. There are many actions you might want to do that will not create a child.

But don't give me that bullshit lie that people are not responsible for their own actions. I have zero patience for that. I never did anything bad when I was young because I learned that lesson when I was 2 years old to think about my actions. "If I do this, I will get in trouble. I don't want to get in trouble, so I won't do it." It is exactly that simple, and I bet if you ask any young child almost all of them will already understand this lesson. We are humans, and we have minds which hold thoughts and awareness. We know what we are doing. If I choose to do something, I am responsible for this and I have nobody to blame except myself. If you choose to do something, you are responsible for this and you have nobody to blame except yourself. The awareness to know what we are doing is what seperates the humans from the monkeys. If somebody else chooses to be a monkey, that is irrelevant because I am speaking to humans.